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PostSubject: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:39 am

The delegate of Colombia decided to open a topic according to delegate’s question of, hoping to hear other delegates’ opinion and country position. FARC has operated in Colombia, bringing many horrific possessions in neighboring countries as bombings, murder, mortar attacks, kidnapping and extortion. In 2009, Colombian military discovered that some of the man participated in the antitank missiles had been sold by Venezuela. The delegate would also like to state Venezuela’s participation in such a terrorist force, by stating that FARC laptops had been found in a FARC camp in Ecuador which contained documents of the president Hugo Chavez political and material support. The delegate believes that Venezuela’s delegate should explain it’s participation with the terrorist alliance.
Thank you delegates, for your attention.


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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:53 pm

Delegate of Colombia, what Venezuela has to explain? Despite the fact that FARC isn't considered a terroist group by half of the world, there are no conections between the FARC and Chavez. Chavez himself stated very clear that he has nothing against or in favor of FARC! You see, delegate, China doesn't think the Colombian delegate is looking at the issue the right way. In one hand FARC is causing damage, but in the other hand the Colombian government has violated international laws by invading Venezuela, Cuba and bombing Ecuador, causing the deaths of INOCENTS. The Colombian government acuses FARC of killing, but isn't the Colombian government doing the same! For God's sake delegate, Uribe put the Colombian idians in extinction! The delegate of China is not trying to acuse the government or anything, however it believes that Colombia should get it's ethics strait. Cause in the end of the day we are here to protect the citizens from harm and the oppressors, however by trying to do that the Colombian government became one of them.

It's not whether or not FARC should be stopped, but how the Colombian government deals with it. Yes, FARC is a threat in some way and China is opened to help the Colombian government solved this issue, but the it won't supports the Colombian government means when it killing and putting in extinction a ethinical group.
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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:24 pm

Delegate of China, Colombia has evidence that confirm the participation of Hugo Chavez in FARC. Is the delegate aware that Chavez entered in secret talks with the FARC which he promised the organization of arms and money? How can the delegate proof that Chavez wasn’t involve in it if there are proof and specially evidences in Reyes’s laptop which showed that Venezuela had supplied FARC with high-tech weapons, bullets and 300 million grants, including the plans to take advantage of the hostages issue for the political increase. Isn’t also a coincidence how during his presidency, the country had turned into a major channel for the transshipment of cocaine? Taking in consideration the FARC’s killing of civilians and it’s hosting of 700 hostages, among them Venezuelans. The government has also confessed its direct support with the terrorist group during a speech when Chavez was asked about the FARC removal from US and European terrorist list how the delegate of China stated, Chavez insisted that it “deserves recognition” as “insurgent forces that have a political project, a Bolivarian project that is respected here.” The delegate of Colombia believes that it should be published the other many unreleased files from Reyes’s laptop since it contains more details on Chavez connection with the FARC.
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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:28 pm

Delegate of Colombia, the laptop is useless, irrelevant, and seriously the delegate of China, personally, can handle hearing about this laptop discovered YEARS ago. Delegate, does Colombia believes in the United Nations? Because the United Nations considered the laptop as non-valid information. The other files weren't published because they are not valid information as well! So please Colombia, if you can't respect the sovereignty of your neighbors at least respect the UN. The issue of cocaine won't even be addressed by the delegate of China, for the simple reason that Colombia is using its effort and international support toward FARC to do such acts like bombing Ecuador and invading other countries instead of actulally doing something to end the drug trafficking in it's nation.

Once again China would like to say that it is opened to help Colombia. But it won't stand by any of this nonsense. If Colombia wants help to end the drug trafficking in Colombia, China will stand by, but if Colombia continue using FARC as an excuse to disrecpect international laws in South and Central America, than China can't even find ways to respect these immoral acts.
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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:10 pm

The delegate of Cambodia would like to say it agrees with all of China's point. If look at the issue carefully the biggest problem is the Colombian government's approach. The people on FARC are not saint, but the Colombian government has killed more than it have saved. Plus, Colombia is interfering with international border while the FARC operates only in Colombia. The arguments the Colombian government has found against the president of Venezuela and the president of Ecuador have shown to be un valid, or false. The delegate of Cambodia is afraid a war will start in Latin America (than spread to the world) if Colombia doesn't stop disrespecting other countries' territory.
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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:57 pm

Delegate I am sorry if the delegate believes it is USELESS and IRRELEVANT, however, differently, the Delegate of Colombia totally disagrees with the delegates’ believes. So the delegate believes that half of the worlds have been believing in something irrelevant? Does the delegate believe that news and sites have been writing about something irrelevant? Does the delegate also believes that country discussions have occurred about such topic have also been irrelevant and useless? If the delegate notice and stay informed from news, most of the websites and news commented about the laptops and Hugo Chavez’s participation. So delegate, the list below is some of the articles that confirm his participation and help in the FARC, these are only some of the many articles.
http://colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/10842-colombia-reveals-venezuela-location-of-farc-leaders.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2010/0722/UN-calls-for-Venezuela-Colombia-dialogue-over-FARC-row
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62047720100301
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-27/world/colombia.venezuela.arms_1_farc-weapons-guerrilla-base?_s=PM:WORLD
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8543349.stm

The Colombian ambassador has presented evidences to the Organization of American States (OAS) which proves that Hugo Chavez has been protecting the Marxist guerrillas which even included photos and videos. The delegate of Colombia will repeat the words said by Luis Alfonso Hoys, "We have the right to demand that Venezuela doesn't hide those wanted by Colombia.” While Chavez has just been denying all these accusations, the US State Department has been taken very seriously.
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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:06 am

China and Cambodia, please realize that FARC is a nearly 18,000 member DRUG CARTEL. To neutralize a terrorist group like this one, tough action is necessary; needless to say it’s not an easy task.
Back to a statement made by the delegate of China, Hugo Chavez feels “neither in favor or against the FARC”? this is the attitude that gets the doesn’t get us any where, indifference about the FARC… such a lethal group that’s like being indifferent to Eta in Spain, to Hezbollah, to Hamas, to the Holocaust, to September 11 attacks… its like being indifferent to all terrorist groups or terrorist efforts which have stripped communities of peace and life.
Of course, former president Alvaro Uribe put forth tough policies when dealing with FARC precisely because if he hadn’t, El Mono Jo Joy and Raul Reyes would still be taking part in ransacking Colombia leading to the Country into further determent.
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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:47 am

Delegate of Israel, be aware that China is stating Hugo Chavez's word when it speaks that Hugo Chavez is indifference toward FARC. Therefore the delegate should direct its question, not to China or Cambodia, but to the actual Venezuelan delegation which represents Hugo Chavez. Anyways, it's true that FARC is somewhat a threat to Colombia (China recognizes FARC is an actual threat and is willing to help). But China can't stand by Colombia when the measures taken to end FARC and the drug trafficking or actually killing more people and creating more problems, not only national but international. If the delegate of Israel (and Colombia) are so sure that the measures taken by Uribe (while he was president) and Santos are actually useful to end the conflict, explain relevantly why bombing Ecuador in 2008 and killing 28 people (that have absolutely nothing to do with the issue in Colombia) help end the FARC conflict. Better of, explain why ousting Hugo Chavez will help end the FARC conflict when the UN (which Israel and Colombia trust, China suppose) states that there are no connection between him and FARC. Explain why putting the ENTIRE Colombian ingenious population in EXTINCTION helps ending the FARC conflict. Explain why disrespecting INTERNATIONAL LAWS and the UN CHARTER will help to end this conflict. Because truth is, China doesn't understand what is the Colombian government (influenced completely by the Obama administrator) trying to do in Colombia regarding FARC. It truthfully seems that Uribe and Santos' party are not trying to help, but to that advantage of the issue to than take advantage of bordering countries. VENEZUELA, CUBA, ECUADOR, BOLIVIA and other countries weren't involve in the Colombian conflict, until the Colombian government decided to pull them in and also disrespect their sovereignty.

The delegate of China suggest the Colombian government to respect the borders drawn after the separation of Gran Colombia and help establish peace within its own land. Dragging countries that have absolutely nothing to do with this issue will cause problems not solution, unless Colombia's main goal is not to end FARC but to begin war in Latin America.
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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:27 pm

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FARC isn’t somewhat a threat to Colombia, it’s the BIGGEST threat Colombia has ever dealt with. Contrary to what you have said about the bordering nations, the minute a FARC fighter sets foot in a nation outside of Colombia, it involves that country as well, because not only may it endanger the country’s rural sectors but in most cases this guerilla fighter would be using this country as a secret hide out… so if a nation is facilitating this it certainly involves them in the conflict- its like providing refuge for terrorists. Ofcourse stating that Alvaro Uribe “killed more people and created more problems” easily makes Colombia seem like a ruthless nation who’s ends are completely dismissed by the means they use- but its not true, just look at statistics. The Delegate doesn’t see where China is coming from, pointing to Colombia’s death rate when it is lower than your own nation (6.68/1000), so how is it that what you are doing in your nation still exceeds “deadly” Colombia!? Death rates in Colombia began to go down when Uribe took office in (2002) and NOT ONCE did they go up! In 2002 they were 5.63/1000 and in 2010 5.22/1000
China is a country with labor rights violations, a one child policy, and restriction of speech, movement, and religion- so it’s ironic that the delegate mentions human rights and UN charter violations in Colombia.
The military operation in Ecuador CLEARLY had something to do with debilitating the FARC conflict- Raul Reyes was there and killed- a FARC terrorist…
The delegate can continue to deny that Hugo Chavez did not harbor FARC terrorists however both this has been brought forth to the UN Security Council and CIA… the delegate says a labtop isn’t enough to prove this information but Ambassador Luis Alfonso Hoyos supplied precise map coordinates for several of the 75 FARC camps that were established on Venezuelan territory (harboring 1,500 militants)… there were photos and videos, including one a top commander from another Colombian terrorist organization, ELN, sipping beer on a Venezuelan beach. Uribe dedicated his presidency to rescuing Colombia from armed gangs of both the left and the right, and it is frustrating that a bordering nation dismisses these efforts by helping the aggressors.
Delegate how could Colombia be taking advantage of the bordering countries? Unfortunately, they had to kill terrorists in another nation’s territory, period. There are no second intentions.
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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Thu Nov 04, 2010 9:06 am

The delegation of Mexico would like to support the delegation of Colombia, and their resolution against the violent crimes that are going on in their country
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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:42 pm

The delegation of Panama supports Colombia in this resolution, bacause FARC is ending with our nation. They are traffiking drug and taking control of the border between Colombia and Panama. This is ruining our country.
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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:12 pm

Thanks Panama and Mexico for giving your opinion WITH NO FACT OR EVIDENCE! Cause thats what we need vague opinions and no facts or evidence! Morales you're a Colombian, but here you are the Delegate of Israel. Lets keep that fact going and not opionate them. And Panama, every country is responsible for protections its borders. Venezuela has added troops to the border to ensure safety even Colombia (though with second intensions, China suppose) have intensifed border protection!

1. FARC is a threat to Colombia. But Colombia is a bigger threat to the Colombian, Venezuela, Cuban, Ecuadorians and Bolivian. That's where everything originated! -.-'
2. If FARC steps outside Colombian borders thats its Colombian fault! ENFORCE BORDER PROTECTION! (Of course without bombing other countires like in 2008, killing inocent civilians and disrespecting the UN Charter.)
3. Death reate? Seriously? First, China spoke nothing about death rate. Second its and ETHINIC GROUP ON EXTINCTION ON THE 21ST CENTURY! Please don't make this about China only to distract us from the point (which nobody answer yet). And by the way, PEOPLE DIE OF OLD AGE, PEOPLE DIE OF DISEASE, PEOPLE DIE BECAUSE A COCUNUT HIT THEIR HEAD, PEOPLE DIE AND THATS LIFE! And just to justify the accusation - because it has nothing to due with the FARC issue- the elder population in China is bigger than the youth population (due to birth control) meaning that a lot of Chinese are die of old age. Sorry if we can't fight mother nature. albino Plus Colombian government are killing people from outside their borders which don't interfere on their death rate particulariy. In fact, Colombian has killed about 50 Bolivarians while nobody in the Colombian territory have been killed by other countries. Colombia has been condenmed by Grupo de Rio because of disrespectful posture towards diplomatic relations! Colombian ambassador are being deported! Colombian embassy are being shut down! LATIN AMERICAN HAS SHOWN TO NOT APPROVE ANY OF COLOMBIAN RECENT ACTS!
4. One child policy? Is China suppose to that this seriously or its a comical relief? Imagine if Colombia have 2 billion citizens and if the majority of the Colombian didn't fled to Venezuela (mainly) and US (secondly) every year, now deal with it. Besides, the world have approve the birth control, and birth control is actually a topic in the asian caucus BECAUSE ITS NECESSARY!
5. Restriction of Speech? No freedom? Why...because of communism? 95% percent of China is religion free, they can think what they want, believe in what they want! (Nothing that the other 5% probably belong to Hong Kong and Taiwaan) You know what is the opposite of freedom? Living in a country built under religion, cause if you're not a Jew that you can't be Israeli. No freedom is when your country brainwashes you so that you join the millitary and so that you can but patriotism before humanism! No freedom is when a nation take away another's land and name then their own. Later on, that make CONCENTRATION CAMPS and just put every Arab inside of it condaming them for thinking differently. What is the point of capitalism? Its turns every human into an individual who thinks about no one but themselves. In China every Chinese is a friend, better saying, a brother. You can be who you want, and people will congratulate you for being that. In China they don't tie you to a system that self-destructs, because if you're not apart of it you'll die. China can go on and on and on and on, but instead it suggest the delegates to read Karl Marx since lack of knowledge is demonstrated here.
6. Colombia has condenmed for what it did in Ecuador! So no, it had nothing to do with FARC ourelse they would be congratulated. And their probably going to be condenmed again for the Sept 30 "incident".

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Why is the delegate accusing Chavez of lies when Santos spoke this week: "“We are two brother nations. We fought together against Spanish oppression, we were born 200 years ago and we have had our differences, it is true…But our destinies are the same. We must work together if we want to free ourselves from another oppression – poverty and inequality,” Santos said"
How come the delegate accuse Chavez of working with FARC when Chavez just sent 15,000 troops to fight drug traficking?? Venezuela was behind the release of Ingrid Betancourt, and Chavez asked FARC (since Venezuela doesn't consider FARC a terroist group) to release prisioners, end drug traficking, and encoraged them to work peacefully to achiever their goal!?!
Plus, does the delegate of Israel know anything about Santos and Chavez relationships? Uribe's government is long gone. Chavez is actually working and meeting constantly with Santos to aliviate tension held between Venezuela and Colombia's past gov.! THE TENSION HAVE BEEN ALIVIATED! SANTOS AND CHAVEZ ARE "FRIENDS"! THREE DAYS AFTER DANTOS WAS ELECTED HE MET WITH NICHOLAS MADURO!!

If Israel stands by Colombia/USA in this issue than the delegate of China believes their is a huge gap in Israel's fact. Santos want to put Uribe behind! So why the heaven is Israel wanting to bring what he made Colombia (self-destruction machine) back when the new Colombia government isn't?!?! China is confused! afro

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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:43 am

Delegate of China,
there is no need to step on any delegation here present. if there were replies or not it is none of China's buisiness. First of all, Israel is in favor of Colombia's resolution, since it is a strong ally of the United States, who has been supplying us to end with these TERRORISTS. And indenpendently if the delegate is or not Colombian, it is stating its point and trying to prove once again that Venezuela is the one supplying FARC with weapons and money. Second of all, why is Colombia the responsible for FARC's growth, when it started as a COMMUNIST PARTY and is now a TERRORIST GROUP... Colombia is just trying to keep safety in Latin America, while China is on the other side of the world trying to get involved in Venezuela's (Venezuela means Chávez, Chávez means criminal) illicit donations to FARC, making this TERRORIST group get stronger and bigger. Just wait till it grows and kill your civilians.
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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:54 am

Delegates,

The delegation of Israel would like to state that it's against any kind of group that are against peace and any institution that are trying to achieve its goals by using violence against innocent people! as FARC... the delegation of Israel truly supports any resolution that proposes to end up with terrorrism, not only in middle east, but in every single place!
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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:59 pm

Delegate of China, Colombia is thinking about its people in first place when wanting to find a solution to end the FARC. If the delegate is aware, FARC has been responsible for millions of deaths and FARC has always been a threat to Colombia and Latin America. The delegate mentioned how the delegate ONLY accused Chavez of working with the FARC, however this is totally correct and the delegate believe it should be reinforced by the fact that the Interpol has concluded that the huge cache of e-mails and other documents from the computers of Raúl Reyes, the senior leader of the FARC guerrillas, are AUTHENTIC. Adding that the guerrillas are desperate to establish a “strategic alliance” with Chávez, and why must that be? The president became a huge ally of terrorist groups. “Chavez just sent 15,000 troops to fight drug trafficking?” How can a president who totally supports FARC, which is also responsible for committing drug trafficking want to fight over drug? He is contradicting over his actions, when giving fund to the group that is used in the trafficking. Santos was just elected and even though the country contains a new leader, it doesn’t mean that the FARC issue will just be ignored. It is still covering the issue caused in Colombia.
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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:50 pm

Delegate no freedom is when you FORCE every human being to be exactly the same, live under the same conditions, receive the same benefits and profit regardless of the merit your job deserves. Comic relief? comic relief is China speaking about freedom. Government censorship in China is huge- you’ve imprisoned journalists who provide news to foreigners, editors of publications that criticize government policies, the government takes the liberty to block web sites, radios, and television broadcasts in opposition to it or that simply bring in foreign news. China has banned dozens of newspapers and confiscated close to one million “illegal” publications and bans the printing of religious literature with out gov. permission. “In China every Chinese is a brother and a friend” sure, since you force them do and think alike and prevent any inconformity with your government.
Of course Equator and Venezuela did not (in the past) approve of any measure Colombia took to eradicate FARC violence, when it is these presidents that provide safe havens for the terrorists, of course Correa is going to dismiss Colombia’s efforts if the FARC helped fund his political campaign and in return, he granted them a camp in Equator where they were planning their next attacks. Yes, the delegate of Israel is aware and applauds Chavez and Santo’s amity… this is actually what latin America needs, to fight these terrorist groups in unison because if these neighboring countries play by different agendas, one aiding the other trying to eradicate- then yes, auto destruction is bound to happen. The delegate of Israel was just bringing back the points about Chavez and FARC because China initially seemed to be justifying it, Israel doesn’t wish to further condemn Chavez- just bring up actual happenings that can’t be ignored regardless of new friendly relations.
It happens to be that Israel is a Jewish state, still freedom of religion is an anchored law, in Israel we people faithful to Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and more… the situation Israelis struggle through is so plain to see that there would be no need for brainwashing!! (forgive me the hypothetical idea). Our establishment in former Palestine is not “No freedom” its right of return. Capitalism doesn’t turn every human into thinking of no one but themselves- it allows them to THINK for THEMSELVES, to not be run like chess pieces by the government, to be able to call something their own… and it is this competition delegate that keeps society moving and growing and always striving for a better product, invention, idea…Concentration camps!?? this sabotaging accusation doesn’t consider that actually, Israel has a right- and does defend itself from the attacks, rockets, and bombings it goes through because most Arab nations refuse to recognize it, and the delegate has the… guts to call it concentration camps.

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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:22 am

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Thanks Panama and Mexico for giving your opinion WITH NO FACT OR EVIDENCE! Cause thats what we need vague opinions and no facts or evidence! Morales you're a Colombian, but here you are the Delegate of Israel. Lets keep that fact going and not opionate them. And Panama, every country is responsible for protections its borders. Venezuela has added troops to the border to ensure safety even Colombia (though with second intensions, China suppose) have intensifed border protection!

Delegatre of China,

What you just stated it was unnecessary!!! alll the delegates of every single country has the right to express their country´s opinion about the topic. About the delegate of Israel in the security council, Morales, it was completly non-sense, she has the right to express Israeli point of view, and her place of birth has no influence on what she just stated!
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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:42 am

The delegate of Bolivia does not believe FARC is a terrorist organization. As has been said by a judge in Bangkok's Criminal Court, "This is a political case. The Farc is fighting for a political cause and is not a criminal gang. Thailand does not recognize the Farc as a terrorist group." FARC has not been officially designated as a terrorist organization in accordance with the anti-terrorism provisions in the Criminal Code and the list of terrorist organizations in the Security Council Resolution of 1267 only states "Al-Qaida and the Taliban and associated individuals and entities" as terrorist organziations.
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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:27 pm

So the delegate of Bolivia, kidnapping, killing, extortion, and terrorizing civilians does not make fighting entity a terrorist group? Back in the era of “la Violencia” FARC did actually begin fighting as a landless mass -as the liberal group of Colombia however with time, the ideals they stood for were crushed by their increasing spread of violence- their purpose was lost and now, all that is left is their resentment and distrust (peace treaties and ceasefires have been attempted but have been violated by them) So what about the fact that FARC is responsible for 15% of the deaths that take place in Colombia each year? And the 100 kidnapped Americans – 13 of which were killed. And what about the small bombs that FARC places in dug up wholes in the ground of rural sectors to intimidate and subject under their authority the farmers, Indians, miners in the rural sectors of Colombia, delegate when a person steps on one of these underground bombs-if their lucky and don’t loose their lives- they loose arms and legs. Mass kidnappings, extortion and bus-bombings are among the most popular tactics the FARC uses, not to mention that their Heroin and Cocaine transactions make them one of the if not the richest Terrorist group in the world with a close profit of $ 100 million used to purchase arms and fund FARC operations. FARC has acted as consultants for organized crime groups in Bolivia offering them trainings on explosives…maybe Bolivia would begin acknowledging them as a terrorist group if they were to experience any sort of attack from Bolivian criminals aided by FARC. Being monopolized into thinking FARC are merely freedom fighters without any form of factual evidence may be easy, but when you actually look at the truth and not just opinion, justice prevails.
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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:52 am

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Thanks Panama and Mexico for giving your opinion WITH NO FACT OR EVIDENCE! Cause thats what we need vague opinions and no facts or evidence! Morales you're a Colombian, but here you are the Delegate of Israel. Lets keep that fact going and not opionate them. And Panama, every country is responsible for protections its borders. Venezuela has added troops to the border to ensure safety even Colombia (though with second intensions, China suppose) have intensifed border protection!

Delegate of china, I am sorry if I did not show any evidence, but it is logical to think that most countries in the Americas is and have suffered threats imposed by FARC members.
In Panama, FARC had a lot of bad intervantions. It was found a boat, coming from Colombia, that contained tons of drugs and explosives. The terrorist groups had also kidnnaped many gurads and innocent Panaminians. It was proved that FARC asked for 50 kilograms of enriched uranium to make a radioactive "dirty bomb," that Venezuela had financed FARC to the tune of some $300 million and that FARC, in turn, had financed Rafael Correa's campaign for Ecuador's presidency. FARC is a threat to Latin America, and we should end it!

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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:37 pm

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First of all, Israel is in favor of Colombia's resolution, since it is a strong ally of the United States,

1. Loved it, you hear that Israel?! You are only in favor of this resolution because the US is Colombia! haha Very Happy Delegate of Colombia, please refer from taking in consideration diplomaric bonds, research! In fact, Colombia is against the US' Cuban Embargo while in favor of several other US foreign politics.
2. FARC is not considered a terroist group by at lease half of the world.
3. Hugo Chavez a criminal?! Does the delegate ever heard of a man named Juan Manoel Santos, because in his third day of presidency he arrange a meeting to wealthen diplomatic ties with Hugo Chavez. Political ties which would be ruined by this unfortunated and false comment. Besides, the only country condemned by the Grupo de Rio, because it violated UN International Laws was Colombia. So taking in consideration this FACTS RECOGNIZED BY THE UN, the criminal here would be Colombia.

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Delegate of China, Colombia is thinking about its people in first place when wanting to find a solution to end the FARC.
1. THAN WHY THE HEAVEN IS IT INDEGIONOUS POPULATION IS IN EXTINCTION?!?!
2. Delegate, authentic is not RELIABLE SOURCE, at least not in this case! For "God's" sake, the UN stop debating about the email along time ago, when they discovered they were USELESS information.
3. How can a president who totally supports FARC, which is also responsible for committing drug trafficking want to fight over drug?"
The delegate of China won't repeat herself more! Suspect Besides, tell me, the delegate of China, what exactly did Hugo Chavez do. Tell me what he violated and tell me what he should be condemned for. Because one side of this debate is only relying itself on assumptions and that annoys the delegate of China, personaly. (And by the way "He supported FARC" is an immature and vague answer)

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Delegate no freedom is when you FORCE every human being to be exactly the same
Exactly the same? Tell me where in the Communist Manifest written by Karl Marx and Frederich Eengles says that every single person is the same. Better of, if the delegate is refering to China specifically, grab China's constituion and tell me where does it says that every human being is the same. And if proven, China will invest 100% of its GDP nominal in Israel's current nuclear weapons program.
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What is uncessary is your huge number of post with no information, no facts, no proof, no relevance, that don't contribute to the debate.

PANAMA
1. most countries in the Americas is and have suffered threats imposed by FARC members."
More countries in Latin America is and have suffered threats, bombings, killings, mass murders, invasion of territory and sovereigty by Colombia. But Santos is a new president, a greater president. He seeks for best, and he realized Uribes mistake (which were many). Its good to see a reliable man in Colombia's presidency and China is looking forward to see Santos affect in this Latin American tension.
2. Kidnnaping and sending drug in a boat, even though illegal, doesn't make any group of people terroist.
3. If Venezuela financed FARC with uranium it econmy would break. In fact, no Latin American country have the capablity of handing in FARC that amount of uranium, its ignorant only to think about this possibility. The only American country able to finance FARC with this amount of uranium is the USA, but it would as well because, its signed the NPT, and its economy is hanging by a threat.

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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:59 pm

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What is uncessary is your huge number of post with no information, no facts, no proof, no relevance, that don't contribute to the debate.

Delegate of China,

First of all, THIS IS JUST THE FORUM, I don't have much facts to talk about this specfic topic, right! But I think you should not be that rude with the delegates that posts their country's position about a certain topic. And about my number of post, I don't care what you think lol!
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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:15 pm

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So the delegate of Bolivia, kidnapping, killing, extortion, and terrorizing civilians does not make fighting entity a terrorist group? Back in the era of “la Violencia” FARC did actually begin fighting as a landless mass -as the liberal group of Colombia however with time, the ideals they stood for were crushed by their increasing spread of violence- their purpose was lost and now, all that is left is their resentment and distrust (peace treaties and ceasefires have been attempted but have been violated by them) So what about the fact that FARC is responsible for 15% of the deaths that take place in Colombia each year? And the 100 kidnapped Americans – 13 of which were killed. And what about the small bombs that FARC places in dug up wholes in the ground of rural sectors to intimidate and subject under their authority the farmers, Indians, miners in the rural sectors of Colombia, delegate when a person steps on one of these underground bombs-if their lucky and don’t loose their lives- they loose arms and legs. Mass kidnappings, extortion and bus-bombings are among the most popular tactics the FARC uses, not to mention that their Heroin and Cocaine transactions make them one of the if not the richest Terrorist group in the world with a close profit of $ 100 million used to purchase arms and fund FARC operations. FARC has acted as consultants for organized crime groups in Bolivia offering them trainings on explosives…maybe Bolivia would begin acknowledging them as a terrorist group if they were to experience any sort of attack from Bolivian criminals aided by FARC. Being monopolized into thinking FARC are merely freedom fighters without any form of factual evidence may be easy, but when you actually look at the truth and not just opinion, justice prevails.

Delegate of Israel, maybe FARC is responsible for 15% of the deaths that take place in Colombia each year, but the United States and Israel are responsible for many more deaths within their own countries as well as in Afghanistan and the Israeli-Palestinian border. Need the delegate of Bolivia remind the delegate of Israel of the Israeli attack that occured when Turkish ships were bringing aid to the Gaza Strip, an attack that happened in international waters, 75 miles off the coast of Israel, in direct violation of international law? Doesn't the delegate know that Israel has not punished troops who, against Israeli law, DESTROYED civilian property, and that Israel’s blockade keeps Gazans from being able to rebuild their homes? Isn't the delegate aware that, during this attack, 189 buildings were destroyed, including 11 factories, 8 warehouses, and 170 buildings, that is 5 percent of the total property in Gaza, leaving AT LEAST 971 people homeless? Isn't the delegate informed that the Department of Defense has demonstrated a record that credible allegations of illegal conduct by U.S. military personnel are taken seriously and investigated, that Bush had ordered the use of torture against two al-Qaeda "suspects" an estimated 266 times during a short period in 2003, and that US former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld authorized torture in Abu Ghraib? So, delegate, if FARC is being considered a terrorist group, than Israel and the United States should also be considered terrorist states.
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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:04 pm

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PANAMA
1. most countries in the Americas is and have suffered threats imposed by FARC members."
More countries in Latin America is and have suffered threats, bombings, killings, mass murders, invasion of territory and sovereigty by Colombia. But Santos is a new president, a greater president. He seeks for best, and he realized Uribes mistake (which were many). Its good to see a reliable man in Colombia's presidency and China is looking forward to see Santos affect in this Latin American tension.
2. Kidnnaping and sending drug in a boat, even though illegal, doesn't make any group of people terroist.
3. If Venezuela financed FARC with uranium it econmy would break. In fact, no Latin American country have the capablity of handing in FARC that amount of uranium, its ignorant only to think about this possibility. The only American country able to finance FARC with this amount of uranium is the USA, but it would as well because, its signed the NPT, and its economy is hanging by a threat.

1 - Delegate of China, what will Santos do with FARC? Any one who gets close to them will,probably, be killed.


2 - Killing and kidnnaping innocent civilians It surely is a terrorist act. If the group start acting upon civilias that are not part of the Panaminian army, it it concidered terroist.
ter·ror·ist   
[ter-er-ist]
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.


3 - I'm sorry, I missed an "and" which made a big difference, but what the delegate of Panama was trying to affirm, was that FARC asked for uranium to make a radioactive "dirty bomb" AND that Venezuela had financed FARC about $300 million dollars to FARC.
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PostSubject: Re: FARC conflicts - Colombia    Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:01 pm

Delegates of the American caucus,
El Salvador would like to state that it isinfavor of Colombia on this topic.
El Salvador has suffered from drug trafficking and among with other countries in Latin America, it would like to state that drug trafficking became El Salvador’s biggest problem and El Salvador id doing everything possible and impossible in order to end this.
thansk delegate,
Wishes all delegation to vote against this resolution
delegation of el salvador! afro
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