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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:17 pm

Delegate of China,
I believe you have failed to read my post once again and its starting to annoy me. Whether than tain your last post as valid information I will take it as comic relief, because no one here mentioned suicidal rates.

All jokes aside, suicide and homicide are COMPLETELY different things.

I would recomend that you access http://dictionary.reference.com/ and look up their definitions if it's still unclear for you. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:04 am

First of all delegates look what you are proposing. To democratize Vezenuela without Hugo Chavez in power. But delegates of United States, Venezuela is a democracy and his president, Hugo Chavez, won the elections. Just because Venzuela is not "obeying" and following US´s rule in Latin america, US wants to take its leader and change its type of government. This is why Venezuela is proposing to take US´s influences out of the politics, economy and military of Latin America, so that US would not try to control and change the Latin American countries.
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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:44 am

Delegate of China apologizes for the misunderstood. But it doesn't change the fact that you can judge a government by its homicidal rate.
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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:58 pm

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First of all delegates look what you are proposing. To democratize Vezenuela without Hugo Chavez in power. But delegates of United States, Venezuela is a democracy and his president, Hugo Chavez, won the elections. Just because Venzuela is not "obeying" and following US´s rule in Latin america, US wants to take its leader and change its type of government. This is why Venezuela is proposing to take US´s influences out of the politics, economy and military of Latin America, so that US would not try to control and change the Latin American countries.


Delegate of Venezuela,
Our resolution will not deal with Hugo Chavez political rights anymore and the delegate should be aware of that. First of all, Hugo Chavez almost lost the election, meaning that Venezuela’s population is recognizing Hugo’s failure to attempt what they want. If Venezuela is “democratic” as the delegate says, how come Hugo Chavez have mentioned before he is leading Venezuela to a socialist country, and then further threatens to become communist? Never mind, Venezuela can now deal alone with this problem, since the population is willing to cooperate.

To make sure the delegation of the United States is clear, our topic will be about nuclear weapons, and we want to attempt a free-nuclear weapon world.
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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:19 pm

the delegate of the US is very sorry to inform the delegate of Venezuela that Venezuala is just about the complete opposite of a democracy, and that right now its economy (consequently the whole country) has been going down at such a bad rate that i wouldnt even dare say, so please delegate of Venezuala, dont try to elude anyone telling him/her that Venezuala is a democracy, for it is far to be one...
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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:23 pm

and btw delegate of Venzuela, the delegate of the United States of American is pretty sure that whatever the U.S.A is doing to Venezuela, its for Venezuala's own GOOD, cuz it really needs it!
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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:48 am

The delegation of the United Kingdom would like to take a moment to appreciatet this comment:
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its economy (consequently the whole country) has been going down at such a bad rate that i wouldnt even dare say, so please delegate of Venezuala, dont try to elude anyone telling him/her that Venezuala is a democracy, for it is far to be one...
indeed delegates, not only are the venezuelan people trapped in a spiraling economic disaster- NO THANKS to Chavez's frequent and recent company takeovers for the governments profiting- but they have no escape from their "democratic" election.
Chavez is president for life (ahem, dictator) who does whatever he wants to his country and disregards the inhabitants of it.
Again, the United States of America is reaching out to a country that doesnt have the means to defend itself. especially from their own government.
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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:20 am

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If Venezuela is “democratic” as the delegate says, how come Hugo Chavez have mentioned before he is leading Venezuela to a socialist country, and then further threatens to become communist?
Does the delegate knows what is talking about? There is a big difference between Democracy, Socialism and Communism. Because democracy is a political system and socialism and communism are economical systems and as the delegate doesn't know a country which is democratic can be socialist or communist. The delegate of Venezuela would appreciate if the delegate of the United States researched before posting something. lol!
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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:18 pm

i am pretty sure that my fellow delegate of the United States of America meant to say a "dictatorship", but the delegate of the USA does not really believe in a democratic communist country that could actually run well as the delegate of Venezuela stated could be possible...
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PostSubject: The US should be concerned about El Salvador if it really wants to stop murder   Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:22 pm

[quote="USA_Marina"]The homicide rate in Caracas is the highest (200 for every 100,000 habitants) compared to the largest cities in the America's, the number is actually three times bigger than the one of his first year in power.

There may be several things that are not good in Venezuela. And Caracas' murder rate is very high. But it is not high compared to El Salvador and where is the US concern for the Salvadoran people that are being murdered with US guns from US companies and gangs that are trafficking drugs for people who use drugs in the USA? The USA wants to focus on Venezuela because it does not like its leader, Hugo Chavez. But it should look at itself and how it promotes murder in other countries and it should try to help countries like El Salvador dealing with big murder rates.

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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:31 pm

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The traffic of drugs is now, one of the most powerfull business in the world, affecting not just Mexico, but the entire world. We really need to work on this issue, all countries should be supporting us so, this won't spread worldwide.

The problem in Mexico with the violence and the traffic of drugs affects all countries. It especially affects El Salvador. The homicide rate and drug trafficking coming from Mexico and Colombia into El Salvador is killing people. It is also making the whole region unstable. How can you have a government if you can't protect your people or give safety? How can you fight poverty or create new businesses if people are being killed? This is an international war and we need $$ from the whole world to fight it. We have to work on this together.
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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:45 pm

listen up, delegates of Mexico and El Salvador, and just about any other country in the world that is very badly affected by drugs: its not $$$ you need, its to change your POLICE AND MILITARY! especially el salvador and mexico, where the traffic is so big due in part to the corruption in your police and military. if el salvador and mexico did a little cleanup in the police station and did a good job at hiring and throwing away the corrupted people in your systems, this problem would be by far much less important. its not $$ as the delegate of el salvador stated that is needed the most, at least in this case.
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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:27 pm

something wise the delegate has stated, perhaps in better terms, if your government stopped for once begging for money and decided to arrest the corrupt people, this situation could be ameliorated, as to Mexico why are the Zeta still free? Perhaps they should be arrested and not released afterwords. Mexico, congratulations on firing 10% of your police force for being corrupt after getting a few million from the usa but still.. there is a long way to to fight corruption and it is very unwise to fall in debt with the USA or take their aid for granted, look what thy did with Saddam, aided him, supported him, then hung him out to dry.
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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:10 pm

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If Venezuela is “democratic” as the delegate says, how come Hugo Chavez have mentioned before he is leading Venezuela to a socialist country, and then further threatens to become communist?

Communism is a threat to the world? Please delegate of the United States of America explain how communism is a threat to the world? Explain how a theory that brings people in to a common degree of unity brings a threat to the world? Explain it in front of the People's Republic of China the country most responsible for sustaining the world's economy and saving it from the 2008 misfourtune. Explain how a country that creates humans instead of individuals impose a threat to the world? Explain how a theory that completly strikes racism and prejudice out of the dictonary is a threat? Explain how a theory that value's not only a person's sucess but its entire society's is a threat? Explain how a theory which doesn't make your neighboor a stranger and 'one more person to compete with' but a friend is a threat to the world? Explain how a theory that puts iife infront of money is a threat? Quoting one of the few noble American presidents in history, Thomas Jefferson and the US Constitution: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Explain how a theory that sets you FREE from a bloody system and is grateful for your existance not for your meriths is a threat to any citizen in the world? Look at the mark of capitalism in African continent after colonializim, look at what happen with Rwanda, Somalia, Sudan, Congo, SouthAfrica and explain the delegate of China where is the good in there. Explain the good Batista did to the Cubans. And especificaly to this debate, explain how, where and to whom the Socialist Party of Venezuela did any bad.

In a way or the other the delegate of China understand the US point of view, a theory that oposses IMPERIALISM is never welcome in the free, glorious and breath-taking nation of the United Stated of America.

The People's Republic of China could try to enforce communism and socialism in the other Member States, but instead it respects them. China could easily take away the autonomy of a South Asian country and then threat the bordering countries too, but instead China respects them. It's not that the US is unrespectful, but it has to understand most countries Latin America, including Venezuela, values its autonomy and has shown a certain dislike towards the North American interference and beliefs. In fact, how many US diplomats have been expelled from South American over this last decade? The scars and the will of the people speak for themselves.

AND PLEASE DELEGATES IN THIS DEBATE, ONLY IGNORANTS CONNECT COMMUNISM WITH DICTATORSHIP AND CAPITALISM WITH DEMOCRACY. COMMUNISM NEVER WORKS WITH A DICTATOR (in the matter of fact, its opposses it) AND CAPITALISM AND DEMOCRACY ASK FOR DIFFERENT SIDES OF A CITIZEN.

And since the debate is about Venezuela here is a quote from its DEMOCRACTLY elected president from the SOCIALIST PARTY: "My, what ignorance; the real obstacle to development in Latin America has been the empire that you today preside over," said Chavez, who is a fierce critic of U.S. foreign policy.

By the way, since China is recognize as a communist nation, the delegate of China would like to know what threats does the People Republic of China impose to the world? Because from what is known, US attacks the Socialist Party in Venezuela (a country with a smaller economy, lots and lots of petroleum) while never attacked China's.


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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:37 pm

Dear delegate of Iraq, the delegate of the United states of america supports what the delegate said about fighting corruption, but does not agree on the fact that it will take that long, for if the government really worked hard on it, it could get better significantly very very quickly, and as for the debt with the us, and asking for our help, the us is the coutnry that has aided the world the most finatianly in the whole world... and saddam is completely different for he was a dictator killing people...
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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:59 pm

Delegate of the USA unfortunately your history condemns you as to with all your previous intervention in the Americas and the fact that you installed dictatorships in almost half of the countries including El Salvador, however if the USA is wishing to help it could supply resources from the UN to be specifically directed at improving security and stability in these regions.
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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:04 pm

may the delegate of Iraq list those countries? for the delegated has just stated that the usa installed dictatorships in almost half of the countries... and no it is not the usa that installed the dictatorships, but the dictators themselves, and the coutry itself.
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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:24 pm

The USA sponsored the dictatorship in military junta in Brasil, Rafael Videla in Argentina, El Salvador, General Batista in Cuba, Augusto Pinochet in Chile, Guatemala with Armas Fuentes and Montt, Nicaragua with Anastasio Somoza, Bolivia with COL.Hugo Banzer, Panama with Noriega, Haiti, Dominican republic,Paraguay, i might have forgotten some but these are quite a fair amount
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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:56 pm

Delegates,

Venezuela is rich country, but it's being bad administered, the monoculture of venezuela in the petroleum is very bad for economy, later on petroleum will end and venezuela will broke. Also, I had the chance to live in venezuela (as some of you might know) and I saw that they were having scarcy of milk, sugar and many other basic items. Chavez is in power because he is supported by the major population of venezuela, FACT... but how does he got that support?? I could see it from very close! As the majority of the population in Venezuela are poor people, Chavez simply gives many alms to those people, getting supported! But people there cant' see that he is slowly becoming a dictator, making things worst, becoming a "NEO-CUBAN" government!
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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:17 pm

i would like to know, delegate of Iraq where the proof is that the USA aided any of those countries, or should i even say, aided their DICTATORSHIPS.... i find it hard to believe.... and wow... cuba... im sure that the USA really aided them!
i didnt simply want you to name the different dictators that have had power over the last several years, is the delegate aware of that?
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PostSubject: El Salvador's police   Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:06 pm

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listen up, delegates of Mexico and El Salvador, and just about any other country in the world that is very badly affected by drugs: its not $$$ you need, its to change your POLICE AND MILITARY! especially el salvador and mexico, where the traffic is so big due in part to the corruption in your police and military. if el salvador and mexico did a little cleanup in the police station and did a good job at hiring and throwing away the corrupted people in your systems, this problem would be by far much less important. its not $$ as the delegate of el salvador stated that is needed the most, at least in this case.

El Salvador is willing to train more police and wants to hire police that aren't corrupt. But we have no money. And the drug traffickers have so much money they can buy any police. With cheap guns from the USA, drugs from Mexico and lots of money run by criminals, El Salvador has a tough battle to fight. Mexico just appointed a 20 year old girl as the police chief in Ciudad Juarez because no one else would do the job (they are all afraid of being killed by drug lords). She is hiring teenagers to be her deputees. This is how bad the situation is! The international community needs to become involved. We need help.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130704308

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PostSubject: THE USA HAS SUPPORTED DICTATORS IN LA AND AROUND THE WORLD!   Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:12 pm

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i would like to know, delegate of Iraq where the proof is that the USA aided any of those countries, or should i even say, aided their DICTATORSHIPS.... i find it hard to believe.... and wow... cuba... im sure that the USA really aided them!
i didnt simply want you to name the different dictators that have had power over the last several years, is the delegate aware of that?

El Salvador is one of the biggest victims of the USA's long history of helping support DICTATORS that protected the rich and American companies in Latin America. We support the delegate of Iraq in his accusations. He has studied his history.

We can't believe the delegate of the USA does not know his own country's history. The USA has only supported "democracy" in Latin America when it was in their own best interests. The USA has many times supported dictators all over the world when it was convenient for them.
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PostSubject: Not a list of dictators... a little history lesson.    Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:29 pm

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i would like to know, delegate of Iraq where the proof is that the USA aided any of those countries, or should i even say, aided their DICTATORSHIPS.... i find it hard to believe.... and wow... cuba... im sure that the USA really aided them!
i didnt simply want you to name the different dictators that have had power over the last several years, is the delegate aware of that?

The delegation of El Salvador would like to educate the USA about their own history of collaboration and support of dictators.

For starters... you should learn about these events:
http://www.zompist.com/latam.html

1) EL SALVADOR
http://www.cispes.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=68
1980
A right-wing junta takes over in El Salvador. U.S. begins massively supporting El Salvador, assisting the military in its fight against FMLN guerrillas. Death squads proliferate; Archbishop Romero is assassinated by right-wing terrorists; 35,000 civilians are killed in 1978-81. The rape and murder of four U.S. churchwomen only results in the suspension of U.S. military aid for one month.
1980
U.S., seeking a stable base for its actions in El Salvador and Nicaragua, tells the Honduran military to clean up its act and hold elections. The U.S. starts pouring in $100 million of aid a year and basing the contras on Honduran territory. Death squads are also active in Honduras, and the contras tend to act as a state within a state.
1981
The CIA steps in to organize the contras in Nicaragua, who started the previous year as a group of 60 ex-National Guardsmen; by 1985 there are about 12,000 of them. 46 of the 48 top military leaders are ex-Guardsmen. The U.S. also sets up an economic embargo of Nicaragua and pressures the IMF and the World Bank to limit or halt loans to Nicaragua.

2) IRAN-CONTRA Affair
The US loved the dictators it supported in Latin America so much that when the US Congress said they didn't want to give $$ to people that committed human rights abuses, killed nuns and priests and other things like happen in El Salvador and Nicaragua, the US president and his helpers found a way to keep giving the bad guys money. They committed treason and sold weapons illegally to their enemies in Iran so they could have $$ to give the dicators and the military in El Salvador and Nicaragua. Check out this funny video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juxm4P4fnq8
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PostSubject: USA and their love of dictators   Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:40 pm

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i would like to know, delegate of Iraq where the proof is that the USA aided any of those countries, or should i even say, aided their DICTATORSHIPS.... i find it hard to believe.... and wow... cuba... im sure that the USA really aided them!
i didnt simply want you to name the different dictators that have had power over the last several years, is the delegate aware of that?

Some more dictators:

1) Iraq's Saddam Hussein: The USA was Saddam's biggest supporter before 1991. In the 1980s Saddam was the enemy of Iran and the USA really hated Iran. They knew Saddam was bad, but they wanted to support him because he hated the same people they hated. So they sold him many weapons. They sold him the chemical weapons he used against the Kurds in Northern Iraq (a crime against humanity). They gave him money and were his friend even though he wasn't democratic and tortured enemies.


2) Guatemala in 1954: When they elected a democratic president in Guatemala that tried to pay for education for his people and development, they helped put in a dictator and started a civil war. Why? They didn't want the biggest US company (United Fruit Company) to have to pay taxes on their land or pay to use the railroad to transport fruit. The war lasted 30 years nad thousands died.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKarbenz.htm
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Jacobo_Arbenz_Guzman
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PostSubject: Re: LETS BEGIN DEBATING!   Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:18 pm

As you can see delegate of US,
Is with your firearms that our citizens are having their last breath, is because of your people consuming the drugs that the drug trafficking is occurring in such a big way. Your government should stop using their money in wars that just cause more problems and sadness, and should use it in a fair way! As helping the countries your government has helped destroy.
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