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PostSubject: Re: The G4 Movement   Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:07 pm

Japan can't be part of the security council, because it can't take responsibility of all the crime committed; human rights violation, torture, rape, massive killing in East Asia.
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PostSubject: Re: The G4 Movement   Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:23 pm

Delegate of Japan,
As my fellow partner stated, how is Japan supposed to become part of the security council if the delegation does not take responsibilities for all the crimes committed?
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PostSubject: Re: The G4 Movement   Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:57 pm

Delegates,

This resolution it's important because the important decisions in the world would not be only in charged of the rich countries, but also in hands of developing countries. But delegates of Japan, as it was stated by the Cambodian delegation, Japan couldm't be in security council due to reasons that were already stated, but, the delegation of Israel, truly supports that Japanese role in taking important actions should be more important than it is right now
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PostSubject: Re: The G4 Movement   Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:03 pm

Delegate of Israel, the five permanent member aren't "rich countries". In fact in 2008, Great Britan was part of the European Union PIIGS, former known at the time as PIIGGS. The United States of America has a debt of 40 billioon dollar. Besides, developing nations? The People's Republic of China is a developing nation and the Russian Federation as well. In fact, JAPAN is indeed considered a developed nation by the United Nations. Sorry delegate, but their is several gaps in your post!

Delegate of Japan, I'm from the Security Council! Very Happy

Other Delegate of Japan,
First, "Meaning that countries that are growing and becoming more and more powerful as Brazil, Japan India, and China should be awarded with a permanent membership of the SC." - China is a permanent member!
Secondly, their is no misinterpretation of facts there are only poor expression of facts! albino
Thirdly, the tortures Japan did in WWII weren't only in China, we are talking about the entire East Asian coast and more!
Adding Japan to the permanent seat wouldn't make the UN "more democratic" it would make the UN a suported of human right violation and war crimes! Because a country who did what Japan did in WWII and doesn't take responsibility can't take one of the most important seats in the United Nations.
Forthly, China doesn't want the veto, China wasn't awarded the veto. China was given a massive responsibility (like the Chinese delegate state several times before). And how can China be individualistic when it aids and have wealthy relationships with all countries in the world? How can China be individualist when it aids Myanmar after several tornadoes, how can China be individualist when it aids North Korea development program, etc etc etc. Delegate, if you would research, you would find out that a significant number of China votes or abstaintions. Because if China goes against a reso is automaticly a veto, and China point as a permanent member is not to favor itself, but to find solutions! Only makinng more evident that Japan has no capability of being a permanent member.

Besides delegate, we have to understand that we won't agree in every single situation. But the least we can do is respect one another. With this atitude all Japan is going to get, sorry for the informality, is a huge veto in its resolution! Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: The G4 Movement   Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:06 pm

Delegate of China,

The delegate of Israel is aware of the debt of 40 billioon dollar that the US has, however, it doesn't mean that the US has a lot of money, which is a "rich county" that is going throu a crisis, but since US was one of the 5 permanent members of the SC, it has been a county with a very high economical power... The same goes for the UK,

I'm not saying that what you said is wrong, I'm just saying that you didn't understant very well my post, I'm aware of those recent economical problems that happened to the US and the UK, however, it doesn't mean that they have a high economical power! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: The G4 Movement   Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:42 pm

ChinaSC_Vanessa wrote:
Really Japan? Well, China bet is easy to sleep at night when it wasn't your country who was invaded, when it wasn't your people that were murder, tortured, raped, abuse and killed! Japan invaded China, Japan invaded what was the Korea, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, etc, etc, etc! 50 years ago isn't too long ago?! Well, there are husbands wifeless, children(now adults) parentless in China and whoever destroyed their families are not being condemned! And no, Japan doesn't understand the responsibility of being a permanent member because it doesn't even understand the responsibility of their own acts. China wasn't in power in the WW2, neither the US, they were attacked and invaded by JAPAN! That's why they entered the war. Get you're facts straight! US has attacked in Pearl Harbor by Japan, China wasn't "involved" in WW2 it was involved in the 1931 invasion of Manchuria and had to rely on the Allies to save their innocent people from the undescribel Japanese horrors. Take away the veto power?! HAHAHA, we'll veto it! Because the US, UK, FR, RU and China weren't "awarded" the veto power because they "were in power after WW2 and the Cold War (first because Russia didn't exist yet and it actually lost the Cold War and became then Russia, second because NOBODY WON, loosing citizens is never a win, in the WW2 especially, and as said before China and the US were dragged into the war)" Plus after the Cold War Kazakhstan had the nuclear capability of destroy countries, yet it didn't use its capabilities to buy himself a permanent seat, it gave away it weapons in order to provide a "more-perfect world". And more unreasonable than taking away the veto power is awarding it to all UNSC member, does Japan actually expect every country to agree among every solution. How will military base in Colombia be discussed when Venezuela is strictly against and USA in favor? How will a real Palestine state be created with full autonomy when Israel is against it and the Arab League in favor? And plus the UNSC seats alternate every two years so the veto power will be just passes along like a five-year old game?!? How can Japan bid on a permanent seat when it doesn't even seem to understand the concept of it at all!

"the (futurre) 10 Security Council member" ---- China is confused since their are 15.
"the fact that it shoudl not be for just one country to decided wether a resolution is capable..." ---- there are 192 Member States!!! O.O

And regarding the second quote: we are mature enough to realize we are not going to agree in everything, mature enough to realize that every Member State has a vote, and that the 5PM veto power is well distributed.
And don't worry about China's decision and dont worry about anyone else's, in fact, worry only on yours Japan and learn to take responsibility for your acts. The present is never going to be fair if the past is forgotten. And for thart, China congratulates both South and North Korea that have taken the same noble side in the Japanese G4 bid. And since I mentioned SK and NK, China would like to remember the first country to invade the Korea was Japan, because of its invasion USSR and the US took action and now look at where we are today. (of course Japan is not the one responsible to the tension between the Korea, in fact the NK nukes have made a Japan a victim... but the beginning of the issue is, in fact, the Japanese invasion! THE INVASION IT DOESN'T WANT TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR)

First of all, India would like to be positioned as in favor of this resolution, for, in addition to the fact that the four nations that look forward the guarantee of a permanent seat in the UNSC are major world economical and diplomatical potences, as cited by the delegate of Brazil; according to India's principles, it is not quite reasonable for issues concerning all nations of the world only to be represented by 5 countries, which, in fact, don't even represent all parts of the world we live in. This causes the delagation of India question: where is South America represented in the Security Council? Well delegates, this question can still be easily answered in case Brazil is awarded a permanent seat. Contradicting what the delegate of China stated previously, India continues referring to the grant of the permanent seats as an AWARD, however, an award the relies on vast responsability and full-time comprimise in duty. Therefore, delegate, this AWARD should also be held for Japan, although many delegations, including China, have been pointing out that is was contradictory for a nation that hasn't yet been condemned for war crimes, within them, the Pearl Harbor invasion during WWII, to be placed within the Security Council, that claims for the world's well being. Delegates, India apologizes for such a strong word, but the point brought up by the delegations is of extreme IGNORANCE, for India questions until what point will Japan be condemned for actions held 50 years ago, which is definetely a huge time period. If Japan must be condemned, then the US should have also been, for the nuclear bombs harshly thrown in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, located in Japan, indeed, were prejudicial to the nation to the point where Japan is still contaminated by the nuclear substances that present harm to its civilians. Therefore delagates, India reassures its point. If the US has a current permanent seat in the UNSC and has not been condemned for this war crime, although all nations here present know that the bombs were formulated for the cease fire of the WWII to be reached, then Japan should stop being judged and obtain the right of a permanent seat in the UNSC, as well as the Federative Republic of Brazil, Federative Republic of Germany, and the Republic of India.

Thank you for the comprehension.
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PostSubject: Re: The G4 Movement   Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:14 pm

Brazil_Julia wrote:
If the delegate of China is not aware, the GDP of the emerging economies like Brazil, India, South Africa and China as well, is increasing on an average of 6,4 % while the already "powerful" countries are only at 2,2%. This statistic shows how the G4 can help boost the world's economy, since we are the countries that currently can contribute more to the world than the founding members of the UN. By 2014, the emerging economies should compose 51% of the world's economy, taking over the economic power of the nations we now refer to as powerful.


The delagate of India resolutely agrees with what was pointed out by the delegate of Brazil, for the four nations that look forward permanent seats in the UNSC currently present impressive economical growth, even greater than these presented by France, China, the United States of America, Russia, and the UK. However, the delagate would like to fix a few words used by Brazil, since the four nations that want permenent seats, contradicting what was previously cited, cannot contribute more to the world than the founding members of the Security Council, but yes, we can contribute AS MUCH as the current permanent members. The examplary work held by these five permanent members in present times should be recalled, delegate, we can't forget how immensily they have already contributed to the development and well being of the world we all share. Therefore, their continuation as permanent members of the UNSC is inevitable, however, as inevitable as this is, the inclusion of India, Japan, Brazil, and Germany is essential in order for all nations to hold firm to their cultural identities in the era of globalization.

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PostSubject: Re: The G4 Movement   Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:34 pm

The delegate of India would like to point France's support towards the inclusion of the four new permanent seats, possibly granted to India, Japan, Germany, and Russia. Since the delegation of France has not yet posted under this topic, India would like to relate to France's reiteration of support in July 13, 2010, specially relating to India, since the French ambassador Jerome Bonnafont in India questioned at a meeting at the University of Madras: "How can such a body pretend to solve problems when India, Brazil, Germany and Japan are not sitting at the table?" This question now fullfills the air delegates. Speaking on the eve of Bastille Day or La Fete Nationale (July 14) commemorating the start of the French Revolution, Mr. Bonnafont said India and France shared the ideals of liberty, equality and fraternity and an unconditional desire for peace. The two also believed in the United Nations as a parliament of nations and in finding solutions to the world's problems through mutual dialogue. It was natural then that France supported India's bid for a permanent seat in the Security Council, he said. The ambassador praised the recently concluded World Classical Tamil meet, saying that it was important for nations to hold firm to their cultural identities in the era of globalization, and called India a “metaphor for globalization” on how people with different languages, religions and political ideas could live together peacefully. Therefore delagates, is there is still any doubt whether or not India should be granted a permanent seat in the UNSC? This answer seems pretty clear. For more info on the meeting, access

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article514201.ece

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PostSubject: Re: The G4 Movement   Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:52 am

Japan is not a develioping country, it's the worlds second largest economy.


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PostSubject: Re: The G4 Movement   Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:59 am

"Forthly, China doesn't want the veto, China wasn't awarded the veto."

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"Besides delegate, we have to understand that we won't agree in every single situation. But the least we can do is respect one another. With this atitude all Japan is going to get, sorry for the informality, is a huge veto in its resolution!"

The delegate of Japan gives up this forum, and does not wish to discuss with delegates that aren't able to argument with facts wether than "Japan has responsabilty for war crimes", what Japan wants is to address the world for a greater good. I wish the coutries vote in favor, it will be a wise decision.

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PostSubject: Re: The G4 Movement   Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:30 pm

this argumant is humorous for the delegation of mexico. it would like to thank japan and china for this. but it would like to point out that it needs support on its fight against drugs. thank you for listening
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PostSubject: Re: The G4 Movement   Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:40 pm

Japan_Gabriel wrote:
Japan is not a develioping country, it's the worlds second largest economy.


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Dear delegate,

You mean 3rd largest economy, right behind the USA, and indeed, Japan
is a developing country since it is still growing, just like China.

With heart,
The Delegation of China.
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PostSubject: Re: The G4 Movement   Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:49 am

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PostSubject: Re: The G4 Movement   Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:49 am

ChinaSC_Vanessa wrote:
Delegate of Israel, the five permanent member aren't "rich countries". In fact in 2008, Great Britan was part of the European Union PIIGS, former known at the time as PIIGGS. The United States of America has a debt of 40 billioon dollar. Besides, developing nations? The People's Republic of China is a developing nation and the Russian Federation as well. In fact, JAPAN is indeed considered a developed nation by the United Nations. Sorry delegate, but their is several gaps in your post!

40 billion dollars? That's little. USA actually owes over 8 trillion dollars
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PostSubject: Re: The G4 Movement   Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:41 pm

The delegate of India would like to express its sincere apology for the delegate of Japan, for its high qualified resolution was not approved, indeed. However delegates, India would like to affirm that the G4 movement is an issue that will go on forever until China denies vetoing it, for the nations willing to guarantee permanent seats in the UNSC are currently the most prominent to support the world economically, ideologically, and socially. India, Japan, Germany, and Brazil, fellow delegates, DESERVE to be awarded permanent seats in the Security Council.

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