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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:01 am

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The delegate of UK believes some of the delegates here are confused. especially about the topic and their posts relevancy to it[..]
Of course, who would willingly believe these words, but i thought it interesting that if they were sent back to the middle east (they had immigrated to the States) they would certainly be killed. why would any individual put their lives at risk to make up a silly lie?
and then i found this:
The delegate of Iraq finds it Hard to Belive Members Of the Jaanjaweed FOR WE DO NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS,
The delegate is also GLAD to hear Sudan Is now part of the middle east.
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:17 pm

Delegate of the UK, China believes the delegate is expressing its personal opinion through the opinion of respectful country of the UK. If the delegate has any problems or something it would like to say to the delegate of China as person, the delegate of China will be glad to here, but not in this topic, for it makes no sense. (The delegate of China doesn’t write this personally to any other delegate unless stated, and expect other delegates to do so as well). Delegate, all Member State decided as whole to not negotiate with terrorist, meaning that the United Kingdom doesn't negotiate with terrorist as well, so please delegate don't use as an argument what the UK and all Member States don't believe and wouldn't take in consideration.

The delegate of China didn't mean to accuse England of imperialism at all, and it's very sorry if it sounded like it did. If offended the nation of the United Kingdom, the delegate apologizes and would like to clearly state, again, that China is against imperialism as whole, and that’s all.
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Delegate of UK, China is very sorry to hear that the delegate of the UK defined China and Sudan as un honorable. The delegate of China understand that the ICC judges; and respects the UK opinion when it calls Al-Bashir un honorable, but delegate, when you call a nation not honorable your not only offending the government but the people in it. Remembering that Al-Bashir is only a person, the ICC is trialing Al-Bashir not the entire government of Sudan. Regarding China being 'un honorable' China would like to state that it had never violated any UN resolution, while other countries did. And second, delegate please don't call China 'un honorable' when the British parliament speaks of China like this:

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"Building a progressive relationship with China will be a major priority in the years ahead." - David Miliband (foreign secretary)
"I am convinced that Britain, Europe and the rest of the world can benefit from China's rise – provided we get our response right. Cooperation with China is vital to reduce poverty, to resolve conflict, and to develop an effective framework to address climate change." - David Miliband (foreign secretary)

Is the delegate aware that the UK arranged a meeting with China this year where they made plan to strengthen political ties? And to make the English and Chinese relationship the most "in sync" as possible? So delegate, why is the delegate saying horrible and disrespectful thing to China, when the British foreign secretary, David Miliband (the most important person that deals with England foreign relationship) calls China wonderful things, wants to make bonds beyond politics and once again arranged a meeting with China, meaning that the UK proposed this to China. And history wise, The UK was the first Western country to recognize the People's Republic of China after it was founded in 1949. Since the establishment of diplomatic relations in 1972, China and the UK have seen their bilateral ties gradually improving despite some periodical turbulence. Delegate, the delegate of China, personally, doesn't believe that David Cameroon, David Miliband and even the Queen would agree with the delegate of UK when its calls China un honorable. China is deeply offended, and hopes for a peaceful apologize so it can continue its agreement and plans with the British foreign minister, which is of great interest of the British parliament.

Delegate, when it comes to issues like Darfur China and UK obviously express different opinion, but listen again to this honorable man: "Mr Miliband said he felt the UK's relationship with China was "mature enough" that "we don't pretend we agree on everything", but, "Partnership depends on mutual respect, trust and co-operation and on the fulfillment of commitments,""
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Regarding the ICC trial on Al-Bashir,
1. Yes, China sells weapons to the Sudanese government. China sells weapon to the Sudanese nation because it believes that the Sudanese government has the right to new technology arms (mostly made in China, Russia, USA, UK) not only because of the situation in Darfur, but because of national sovereignty as well. Of course, China believes that aiding the government with weapons will help solve the issue. If the UK sees a better and different solution, besides the removal of a president loved by his people, China would love to hear from it.
2. Obviously, the Sudanese government is shipping arms to the Darfur region, its the region of tension, the region where the Janjaweed kill, and its the region where the Sudanese government use effort to protect the life of innocents civilians. Regarding the accusation made by the delegate of the UK, all China can say is that by the Charter of the UN and the noble laws it was created upon, the UN (not China) can't take in consideration the act of guns being shipped to Darfur. HOWEVER, if any delegate here could presented an official document like the one recently found that proves clearly and concretely that Israel has been involved in nuclear programmes (using Israel just using as an example). Once again its not China that make the UN rules, but China is the one that respect it with all Member States, the delegate hopes.

Despite the personal dislike the delegate of UK has shown towards China, the delegate of China would like to state that China sees the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland as an honorable nation. And China is looking forwards to solve this
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:01 pm

HAHhahahaha, the delegate of UK apologizes for her slip up, i only had so much time to write and edit, of course the delegate means Africa. Very Happy
the delegate also points out that listening to all perspectives of a situation is much wiser than arrogantly and ignorantly ignoring vital evidence- though wasn't it the delegate of Iraq who said...
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He is at war with both sides and attempting to negotiate a truce.
so the delegate of China may not negotiate with terrorirsts, but the president this delegate is defending can of course, and not only that, but also order them to kill hundreds of thousands of people and displaces millions more. of course.
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Delegate of the UK, China believes the delegate is expressing its personal opinion through the opinion of respectful country of the UK. If the delegate has any problems or something it would like to say to the delegate of China as person, the delegate of China will be glad to here, but not in this topic, for it makes no sense
dear delegate i have no quarrel i am simply prosecuting Omar Al Bashir through the opinions of the United Kingdom, as i was instructed to do so by our chairs. The delegate of UK responds to the delegate of China's posts.
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China is very sorry to hear that the delegate of the UK defined China and Sudan as un honorable
i did nothing of the kind to "define" China and Sudan as such, however the delegate of UK may have implied such qualities, on account that Sudan's president is being tried by the International Criminal Court, and the weapons found in the Janjaweed's hands given to them by their government were shipped from China.
The delegation of UK does agree that a relationship with China would be most beneficial, the delegation may wish to be tied to China but does not support China's participation in accordance with the Sudanese government. However the relationship between China and UK is not the topic of this forum here, and unfortunately China is in an awkward position conscerning the ongoing dilemma in Darfur.
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Despite the personal dislike the delegate of UK has shown towards China

China, please keep this proffessional, there is no need for this informality.
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:56 pm

Delegate of China decides not to respond to the delegate of the UK for it believes that the delegate's words doesn't fully agree with David Cameroon's and David Miliband's. And because China is still waiting for a formai apology.

To other member states: yes, China sells weapons to Sudan.... USA sells weapons to Israel. France sells weapons to Brazil. Russia sells weapons to Venezuela. USA sells weapons to Colombia. France sells weapons to Israel. Russia sells weapons to Bolivia. China sells weapons to Cambodia.
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:14 pm

again, we've veered off topic, the delegation of UK (or China) should not be focusing on the fact that China sells weapons indirectly to the terrorists with whom they refuse to negotiate.
the delegation of China may choose to wait as long as she pleases. please delegates, this is a formal debate, and debated get heated, If any one delegation feels as though they are personally insulted (when this is clearly a representational discussion) , they may choose to leave the debate when they so choose.
DEFENDANT of omar al bashir! i'm still waiting for your input on these posts.
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:48 pm

Delegate of UK, Cambodia is sure the delegate got it all wrong, and like China said your words are contradictory to your country. The UN doesn't negotiate with terrorist, so let's only see the Janjaweed as aggressors and the ones that must be stopped. Regarding calling other countries un honorable, the delegate believes this is not what the UN is for! So please delegate of the UK we are mature enough to realize calling each other names is useless and happens in 5-year old kids' fight.

Cambodia believes there is nothing to defendant in the accusation. Omar Al-Bashir has shown to be a great man and he has the support of the citizens of his country. The Sudanese wants Omar Al-Bashir, and the Cambodian delegate believes it is not up to us to take a current president out of his position. He is solving the issue, so don't judge him, HELP HIM!
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:57 pm

The delegate of UK finds the delegate of Cambodia's post to be interesting, considering its own genocide that occured in the last century that wiped out an entire generation that still effects cambodia today. See, The United Nations and Cambodia signed an agreement to let them work together to prosecute the Khmer Rouge offenders. Some consider these actions to be too late, and the Delegate of Cambodia still wishes to say that nothing should be done to help Sudan now?
The delegate of UK has already defended itself against these recycled offenses.
The delegate wishes for the UK and China to have better relations in the future, but UK will do nothing to support the funding of human rights violators, as the delegate hopes Cambodia would understand.
Could the Delegate of Cambodia tell the delegate of UK what its OWN country has done to help Omar Al Bashir?
Lastly, the delegate of UK found it interesting to hear from Cambodia, especially with words the delegate would have highly expected from China, but seeing as that delegate is fed up with this debate, it seems reasonable, that the same exact debate would continue with a delegate with whom China has close relations.
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:49 pm

Dear delegates of China and USA,

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Both countries, China and the United States, have an interest in peace.They may have different motivations, the Chinese have a biggerinterest, national security interest, in Sudan because they wantunimpeded access to that oil. They have sunk $10 billion into the oilsector, they would be fools to want to have war erupt again and notreact to that. So it seems to me this is a great opportunity for theUnited States to work with China to prevent war in the south to secureChina's economic interests and secure America's humanitarian interestsin conflict prevention in Sudan.

In the other hand,
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the referendum in Sudan would be the culmination of the Comprehensive PeaceAgreement which was signed in 2005 between the Sudan People'sLiberation Movement and the government of Sudan to end two decades ofconflict which killed an estimated two million people. Other obstaclesinclude logistics, establishing proper voting lists, border demarcationand how oil profits will be shared if the south votes for independence.
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:52 am

Delegate of Chad, the delegate of Switzerland believes there must have been some kind of misunderstanding when the delegate said, “The president of Chad, Idriss Deby, will not arrest the Sudanese leader, because they had engaged to repair deeply strained diplomatic ties after years of proxy warfare”. The delegate of Switzerland knows that there are diplomatic ties, but delegate, what about everything that Sudan had done before? The continuation of Omar Al- Basir´s presidency will only aggravate the situation, not only in Sudan, but in Chad too. Is Chad prepared to continue receiving refugees form Darfur? Delegate, remember that we are talking about a man who is being trilled for human rights and genocide.
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:53 am

Delegate of China, the delegate of Switzerland agrees that, “it is totally bias to say that the Sudanese government is the one responsible for all the suffering in Darfur”. Sudan is not the only one responsible for it. China, for example, is responsible for exporting a great number of weapons and vehicles to Sudan in which the Sudanese government gives it to the Janjaweed.
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:05 am

Al Bashir is a national Hero! he has negotiated peace between the north and south Sudan, prevented another Somalia, he has Industrialized part of the country as a model for all of Africa, he is doing his best to solve Darfur but the fact The USA and UK keep interfering is deteriorating the situation. He was convincing the Parties involved to Put down arms but the recent accusations have ruined the negotiations. Let the people sort out there own problems look what happened where UN or UK or USA intervened... Srebrenica, Vietnam, Partition, Israel, Iraq, Cuba, Koreas, All Of THE Americas under the Monroe, Apartheidsupported by you guys befor Mandela got his way, please USA go back to your trailer park drinking Budlights(sorry forgot it is not yours anymore) and take the UK with you.
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:54 pm

No matter how often any delegation claims that "omar al bashir is a hero" or that "hes negotiated this and that", they suceeding only in displaying their ignorance. China, at least (once i think) gave a demonstration of the good he's done in his own country- none of which actually counter the offenses against him.
Have Sudan forgotten that its own country- diliberatly against Security Council resolutions- continue to ship weapons into Darfur? Delegates! for what reason other than to supply it to the terrorists, who've openly claimed the governments funding and support ( at least until the ICC warrant against him)
Though the delegate won't take the words of janjaweed as solid proof, (which unfortunately for the delegates benefit, must be stated again) it is suspicious when the motives of such an action are considered. It would probably be more believable that the government really did think of the devil's on horesback as thugs and criminals if they weren't actually shipping weapons into Darfur. Then it would prove most difficult to prosecute the government's official.
The delegate of UK is beginning to think that the delegate of Iraq thinks that the ICC is made up only of the UK and the USA, but believes he should know better.
The delegate of UK detests the racist and prejudice statements that the delegate of Iraq posted and finds them completely insensitive, and would like to point out to all the delegations here, that such abhorrence is the root of evil such as the crimes of the man we are prosecuting here.
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:49 pm

Delegate of Switzerland, the Chinese delegate couldn’t agree more with what was just stated. If china does actually provide weapons to Sudan, unfortunately there is no way it can control their transaction from the Sudanese government to the Janjaweed.
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:56 pm

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Delegate of China,
Omar Al-Bashir´s good intentions are not as good as you believe. The fact that Omar Al-Bashir signed a peace treaty with Chad is because in Sudan at that moment:

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In Sudan, two important deadlines were approaching: April general elections and referendum on self-South in January 2011. Thefirst phase is designed to Khartoum as a chance for rehabilitation ofinternally President Bashir, pursued by the International CriminalCourt (ICC) for crimes in Darfur. Protected by the African Union and some of his peers, very opposed to the ICC, Omar al-Bashir must provide proof of good will. In this context, it became dangerous to continue to launch attacks into N'Djamena.

This is an article which I can give you the site if you wish.

Delegate of chad, i would like to remind the delegate that in 2008, when Sudan and Chad both signed the Dakar peace agreement, the Chadian government was the first one to break the pact when it became involved in an attack in Khartoum by the Darfur rebels that same year.
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:42 pm

The civil war between the north and south of Sudan was ended by This "criminal" and a poll will be held in January, He has NOT supplied the Guerrilas he has supplied the army that is fighting the Guerrilas, as to the eapons being made in China, could the delegate list some items NOT made in China?
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In 1996 the US government decided to send nearly $20 million of military equipment through the 'front-line' states of Ethiopia, Eritrea and Uganda to help the Sudanese opposition overthrow the Khartoum regime
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/spla.htm
Who is responsible for the War?
Chad is suppling the Darfur Guerrilas interesting fact is it not?
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For many years, the Khartoum based Sudan government accused Israel of supplying arms and providing training to South Sudan rebels. Kenya is now proofed to be providing the logistical support for arms shipment to South Sudan, a role similar to Chad's support given to Darfur rebels which has caused the two countries to be in a state of war against each other.http://www.sott.net/articles/show/167866-Israeli-Revealed-as-owner-of-South-Sudan-bound-weapons-ship
Please If i man Talks to Iran he is Flooded with wild accusations. Is it illegal for a country to use its army to defend civilians from armed gangs armed by his neighbor?
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:12 pm

Delegate of Switzerland, there must have been some confusion about the delegate of Chad´s point. The delegate completely agrees when the delegated of Switzerland stated that keeping Omar Al-Bashir would aggravate the situation, in fact the peace treaty that Omar signed (which is considered a risky and courageous attempt to take) was only said to be a temporary ceasefire. Also if the delegate of Switzerland were to look back at more recent posts about this topic, the delegate would understand my side with better conviction.
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:37 pm

delegate of Chad your goverment has been attempting to destabilize Sudan for a Very long time, you armed quite a few militias and now suggest removing from power a goverment a few months from a referendum to decide whether the south would be independent? this is an obvious attempt to destabilize the Sudanese government, it would be wise to remind that the insurgents that started this war, the SLA and JEM were in part sponsored by Chad, before committing terrorist bombings to army basses, delegate if anything your government should remain quiet or at least for once attempt to help the people of Sudan

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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:47 am

We can see how the accusations made by the ICC were imprudent, by analyzing that strong nations and organizations such as the: African Union, League of Arab States, Non-Aligned Movement, and the governments of Russia and China position’s are against the ICC and in favor of the Sudan.
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:56 am

The Unites States Security Council passed a resolution for the UN weapon inspector to enter in Iraq and verify if they had any possession of weapons of mass destruction and cruise missiles. The resolution 1441 passed, but the United Nation’s Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC) did not find any evidence of the presence of these weapons in Iraq. The US and ICC has made in the past bias and non-fact based accusations, and are now accusing the most prestigious president Sudan ever had for war crimes, and once again, with no evidence.
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:56 pm

The delegation of UK commends the idea that one can simply post the same information word-for-word in two separate areas regardless of its relevancy to the situation.
So delegation of Sudan, you finally appear in this debate only to tiresomely repeat general information. Though it may be clever to keep your arguments hidden until the actual debate- as most of the delegations, including United Kingdom have done so far- do not waste time here.
The delegate of United Kingdom finds it "imprudent"-but in more seriousness, deplorable- that this escaped from the delegate of Sudan's post...
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We can see how the accusations made by the ICC were imprudent, by analyzing that strong nations and organizations such as the: African Union, League of Arab States, Non-Aligned Movement, and the governments of Russia and China position’s are against the ICC and in favor of the Sudan.
It is good to know that the delegations defense rests simply on the idea that some other nations agree with you. *ahem* why yes, some countries are against you as well, shall the delegation of UK simply let the accusation fall as, "Well um... the United States (for example) agree with me! Therefore he is guilty"
If only delegate. Just because those countries choose to sit by idly as millions of people starve every day doesn't make it right.
Sincerely, the Delegation of the United Kingdom
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:34 pm

This conflict, in reality, has been excessively exaggerated. The UN’s military commander in Sudan has already said that the conflict in Darfur is over; the region’s main problems now are remote attacks and banditry.International press coverage in Sudan has always been questionable. For example, “it has been reported that Khartoum had used weapons of mass destruction in the course of the then civil war in southern Sudan. These allegations were also shown to be baseless.”They claimed that in July 1999 the Sudanese armed forces had used chemical weapons to attack southern Sudan. These claims were published by several British newspapers, the BBC and other international media. However, the United Nations investigated the claims and approved, based on detailed tests, that there was no evidence of exposure to chemicals.
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:39 pm

Some delegations claimed that Sudan did allow a few organizations to help. But can the delegates explain why the Sudanese government prohibited so many others? If Sudan really intended to help Darfur, then why would it expel some organizations?
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PostSubject: Re: Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir   Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:40 pm

Delegate of China, the delegate of Switzerland agrees that, “all Sudan needs now it to find balance and stabilize”. But delegate, Omar Al- Bashir had a lot of time to find solutions for the problem that he created. Leaving him in power won’t stabilize the situation. The best thing to do is have him tried and allowing Sudan to choose their new leader.
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