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PostSubject: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:19 am

Hi guys, im creating this new topic so we can discuss about any issue in regard of Sudan. This will serve as a starting point for people to start to understand the International Criminal Court and how its interfering in Africa. This is also a good place for the delegates of the special committee to come to, since its all about the ICC and Bashir.
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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:24 pm

Hello delegates,

The delegate of China would like to state that Omar Al-Bashir is just trying to help his country
to get out of it's current issue, and all accusations against him are circumstancial, making him
innocent until proven otherwise. Unlike leaders of major countries, Omar Al-Bashir can't influence any
other countries with power, therefore, all his actions are torwards the improvement of Sudan.
Keep this in mind, delegates.

Sincerely,
The delegate of China.
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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:01 am

Japan condems Omar and China.
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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:51 am

The ICC issued two arrest warrants against the Sudanese President: the first one in March 2009 for crimes against humanity and war crimes, the second one in July 2010 for the crime of genocide. Al-Bashir is visiting for the fisrt time the territory of an ICC State Party since the issuance of arrest warrants. If Chad does not execute the arrest warrants, it would associate itself with the acts undertaken by the Sudanese regime.
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PostSubject: http://www.savedarfur.org/pages/background/   Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:25 pm


This article talks about how the Darfur conflict is entering its sixth year of fighting. I t explains how the conditions are only getting worse for the civilians in the area of battle, ad how almost 2.5 million people have flead their homes to go to refugee camps. The UN death count is around 300,000 deaths.
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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:26 pm

Japan_Gabriel wrote:
Japan condems Omar and China.

Dear delegate,

How can you state that Japan condemns Omar and China? Omar has not been proved
guilty of any of the accusations made, due to the lack of physical evidence, making him
innocent until proven otherwise. Also, it is a lack of good sense delegate, to condemn China,
since Japan and China have had close ties for a long time, and because this topic is about the
Sudanese president, and not China.

With heart,
The Delegation of China
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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Sat Oct 02, 2010 5:11 pm

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Thedelegate of China would like to state that Omar Al-Bashir is just trying tohelp his country to get out of it's current issue, and all accusations againsthim are circumstancial, making him innocent until proven otherwise. Unlikeleaders of major countries, Omar Al-Bashir can't influence any other countrieswith power, therefore, all his actions are torwards the improvement ofSudan.

How can the delegate of China think that Omar Al-Bashir is trying to get hiscountry out of this situation knowing that his troops killed an estimate ofabout 300 000 people according to the UN and 2,7 million people were displaced? Omar is, as we all know, in favor of the Arabs, or theJanjaweed, which are the cause of so many deaths of Black African farmersfighting to remain in their own territory.
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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Sat Oct 02, 2010 5:20 pm

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About 10,000 children were involved in combat in Sudan after being abducted from refugee camps in Chad to join the rebel forces.

Where is the respect towards the children´s rights? Who is responsible for that if it´s not the country´s leader?
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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:08 pm

Delegate of Chad, wouldn't the delegate agree that Al Bashir might work better without all these accusations? Seriously, taking in consideration that the Darfur problem has reached Chad, trying to establish peace in a country in this kind of situation is very, very hard. No wonders the Darfur crisis became international a long time ago! Yes, people are dieing! And the government is trying to stop that! So instead of making it harder and incoraging the trial of a current president, the delegate should try to solve this issue, like China is!
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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Sat Oct 09, 2010 6:42 pm

Omar Al-Bashir only did good to Sudan, and thats why he have the Sudanese support! He is opened for effective international help with China and Qatar mainly, and has even signed a peace treaty with the most violent group in Darfur. So why are we accusing a president when all he has done is good?
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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:56 pm

Delegate of Cambodia, do you honestly believe it 'good' that
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the Government of Sudan has launched aerial bombardment campaigns andhelicopter gunship attacks against the people of Darfur, all of whichPresident Bashir has presided over and is believed to have beencomplicit in
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The only thing that the delegate will recognize as 'good' is the peace treaty that Omar Al Bashir signed with Darfur.

This site will definitely prove my point:
http://www.globalsolutions.org/issues/sudans_president_omar_hassan_al_bashir_indicted_icc_what_s_next
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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:20 pm

Dear delegate of China, I appreciate the support that China is giving to help the Darfur conflict, but I have to say that China has a hidden agenda in this story because China sells weapons to Khartoum and is a major investor in Sudan'soil, and critics claim that China's policy toward Sudan is driven by acombination of an unabated desire for natural resources as well as anongoing attempt to position itself in Africa.

China expresses grave concern and worry about the International Criminal Court prosecutor's indictment of the Sudanese leader because China, as Sudan's closest economic, military, and political partner isthe national government most able to pressure Sudan to end the violencein Darfur as well as the violence it supports in Chad.
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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:34 pm

http://www.geosint.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=66&Itemid=66&73f7ce3fc219677a35dbd9862b113a68=d46fd096f7032437aaa99c3bbc540be8


This site shows how many Sudanese people are going across the border to Chad to go to the refugee camps.
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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:08 pm

South Africa does that site show the flow Chadian weapons to Darfur region? After all, it is only fair that this displayed as Chad is supporting the Jem and Sla, these two groups have used terror tactics and what not. If anything Al-Bahirr is guilty of doing his best to end te war to the point of being to complacent with Chad.
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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:02 pm

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And critics claim that China's policy toward Sudan is driven by acombination of an unabated desire for natural resources as well as anongoing attempt to position itself in Africa.

First of all 'critics' are useless in a debate between UN Member States, lets rely on government officials.
Anyways, its true Sudan's natural resources are of great interest of the Chinese government, but Sudan as its automony, it sells to China because it wants to. Take in consideration the issue in America involving Chavez and the US gov., despite tensions 1/3 of Venezuelan oil is sold to the US. So connecting social and economical aspects may be interesting, but in this case its quite irrelevant.
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the Government of Sudan has launched aerial bombardment campaigns andhelicopter gunship attacks against the people of Darfur, all of whichPresident Bashir has presided over and is believed to have beencomplicit in
if the delegate could specify when and which are it happen it will be of great interest of the Chinese delegate. Taking in consideration that the government have been falsely accused of bombing areas in the region of Darfur in 2007. And lets also not mixture the conflict in Darfur with the Sudanese civil war or the 'war' between Sudan and Chad
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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:47 am

Sudan has been at war with itself for almost its entire post-colonial history, starting in 1956. Nearly all of its major ethnic and religious groups have fought one another, and politics continues to be dominated by mistrust, outside interference and combustible animosities. There are dozens of armed groups across the country, and the prospect of renewed conflict is real.

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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:50 am

Sudan's President Omar al-Bashir and the main rebel group in Darfur, the Justice and Equality Movement (Jem), are about to sign a ceasefire.

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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:51 am

SEARCH FOR PEACE
May 2006: Khartoum makes peace with main Darfur rebel faction, Sudan Liberation Movement; Jem rejects the deal
May 2008: Unprecedented assault by Jem on Khartoum
Jul 2008: ICC calls for arrest of President Bashir
Nov 2008: President Bashir announces ceasefire
Nov 2008: ICC calls for arrest of three rebel commanders
Feb 2009: Army says it has captured key town of Muhajiriya
Feb 2009: Khartoum and Jem sign a deal in Qatar
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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:58 am

The United Nations says up to 300,000 people have died from the combined effects of war, hunger and disease.
President Bashir puts the death a total of 10,000.

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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:11 am

After months of talk, the UN authorizes a peacekeeping force of nearly 20,000 international troops, specialized military observers and police to augment the nearly 7,000 African Union troops in Darfur.

France and Britain are to lead and organize the new force, which will be under the command of both the UN and the AU.

The cost of the mission is expected to top $2 billion US in the first year but the resolution authorizing the peacekeepers has been watered down to the point where the new force will not be allowed to seize and dispose of illegal arms, but only to monitor their use.

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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:12 am

Oxfam, one of the world's largest aid agencies, announces it will permanently withdraw from the Gereida refugee camp in Darfur because it no longer believes its aid workers can be protected.

More than 130,000 people are sheltering in the Gereida camp, one of the largest in the troubled region. The Oxfam announcement follows an attack on aid workers six months earlier. More than 120 were withdrawn from the country at that point.

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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:13 am

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, acting as an emissary for an international Save Darfur Coalition, negotiates a 60-day ceasefire with al-Bashir. But the ceasefire lasts only a short time. Rebel groups, claiming they are still being attacked by government forces, want no part of it.

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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:27 pm

Cambodia_ManoelaB wrote:
Omar Al-Bashir only did good to Sudan, and thats why he have the Sudanese support! He is opened for effective international help with China and Qatar mainly, and has even signed a peace treaty with the most violent group in Darfur. So why are we accusing a president when all he has done is good?

The delegate of Cambodia stated that Al-Bashir urges to establish peace in Sudan, however lets not forget that seven counts of crimes against humanity and war crimes, were issued agaisnt him and that did not include genocide counts. Some also claim that he, for being president of Sudan, cannot be pressed any kinds of charges, however when it comes to the most serious crimes of concern to the international community as a whole, no-one is above the law. Al- Bashir’s position as president of Sudan has no impact on the ICC decision to have him arrested. He is a fugitive from justice.
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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:25 pm

Trying Mr. al-Bashir and deciding whether or not to call this event genocide will not help Sudan. About 1,000 supporters chanted: “We don’t need Ocampo, we don’t need the ICC. We say to you, President al-Bashir, that the people of Darfur will go with you wherever you go, and Darfur will be the graveyard for the enemies of Sudan.” He is being supported by his population, he is signing and creating peace agreements and he is defending his own population. And after all, Mr. al-Bashir is still the president of Sudan; his future is linked to Sudan’s future, if this situation is not handled properly more violence is going to arouse in a country tired of war.
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PostSubject: Re: Sudan/ICC/Omar Al-Bashir   Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:57 pm

China, imports 80% of sudan's oil, if china wanted to end the genocide in Darfur, the country can do it in a blink of an eye. China doesn't care about black african people being murdered, killed and raped, the country have control of a situation which has turned into a genocide because China along with president Al-bashir intended to let it go were it is today as has been in the last 8 years.
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