Case 2 - Omar Al-Bashir

So we don't get the topics mixed up!

As mentioned on the previous topic Omar Al-Bashir cant be trialed it the special committee since its not a singer of this treaty.

Even though the delegate representing Sudan in the African caucus wants our comittee to stop trialing Mr.Omar Al-Bashir this is STILL HAPPENING. Bush AND Al-Bashir did not sign the Rome Statute, however, they are still being trialed by OUR ICC. So, please DO NOT POST THIS ARGUMENT AGAIN, or, the Chair will feel obligated to delete it.

The Chair encourages the delegates to research, find evidence and use strong arguments to prosecute/defend the two leaders. Saying they are not under ICC Jurisdiction will not help you out in this comittee.

Thank you

Alright, to get this argument going, we should start with the most basic offense.
dear sudan,
omar al-bashir has been accused of genocide. surely you cannot deny this event if your country, but how do you plead. you could not honestly protest that this wasn't the fault of omar al-bashir, and if you did, who would you rather blame? please Sudan, enlighten us...
UK

Dear Delegates,
I am representing Chad and i have to say that the conflict of Darfur in Sudan is affecting strongly and directly my country...

Chad´s geographical and human situation is similar to that of the Sudanese because of we also have the nomadic Arabs living in the northern region of the country, and the black African sedentary farmers in the south. Due to the global warming, the drought is affecting Chad very hard and for this reason, the Arabs are moving towards the south to get food for their animals and for themselves. This situation is dramatic because of the shortage of food -remember that Chad is among the 10 poorest countries in the world.- The coming of the 300000 Sudanese refugees to our territory is just making this problem get worse because we have to share the food and water that is already short.
Another problem that these refugees are bringing is that the Sudanese conflict is spreading inside of our borders and is perturbing the peace of our country. At the same time this can generate bad ideas between our people because the racial distribution of population in my country is the same as in Sudan. (Arabs vs. blacks or Muslims against Christians.)
The president of Chad, Idriss Deby, will not arrest the Sudanese leader, because they had engaged to repair deeply strained diplomatic ties after years of proxy warfare.

the delegate of china thinks that it is totally bias to say that the Sudanese government is the one responsible for all the suffering in Darfur. What are your proofs that Sudan has aided the Janjaweed?
It is important to state that Omar Al-Bashir was, in fact, seeking to bring peace to the Sudanese citizens by letting the UNAMID intervene in the process of the Darfur crisis.
The Sudanese president has also created his own project called "The People of Sudan Initiative" to end the crisis.

Delegates, before starting discussing it's important to remember that Sudan never signed the ICC, and so no accusation based on Omar Al Bashir not following the ICC legal code or point regarding that he should be prosecuted by the International Criminal Court would be relevant.

Sudan would like to express it's feelings about the ICC and some ideals and clauses that the delegate will defend during debate time. Although our country is completely against the International Criminal Court, and believes that all the accusations made to Omar Al Bashir were completely immature and stated with no concrete proofs. Suggestions of an development of an new organization focusing in only helping countries, rather than investigating nations personal decisions. We need and organization which will help solve the world's major powers and not one who focuses only in the western power interests.

Sudan, if you had read the posts of this case, you would have already realized that the chair ALREADY stated in our meetings AND in written form that THIS :

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Delegates, before starting discussing it's important to remember that Sudan never signed the ICC, and so no accusation based on Omar Al Bashir not following the ICC legal code or point regarding that he should be prosecuted by the International Criminal Court would be relevant

IS NO DEFENSE.
in addition Sudan, this is not a court in which we will ratify a resolution to fix the country that you have scarred, but to condemn the culprit that caused the suffering in the first place SO in saying that :

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Although our country is completely against the International Criminal Court, and believes that all the accusations made to Omar Al Bashir were completely immature and stated with no concrete proofs

you are only succeeding in EVADING- so that accusations are false? prove it! defend your president!

UK, instead of complaining about other countries post, use the intelligence that the delegate still believes the representative of UK has to post arguments defending your point so that in debate time UK doesn't get shocked when Sudan shows how immature and ridiculous UK's points are.

Delegate of Sudan,
That was completely unnecessary. It is inappropriate to call another delegation immature; the delegation of UK was reminding you of the actual points being addressed in the debate. Please leave any judgment in the hands of the chairs, and read what's being discussed so you do not repeat something that was already brought up.
A message to all delegates: whoever innapropriately addresses another delegation in the future (this includes extreme, recurring sarcasm, calling them "stupid", or telling them to "shut up") will earn themselves an informal warning.
Thank you

Alright delegates, let's simmer down here. The delegate of UK was simply pointed out a flaw in Sudan's defense, but i'm sure he has one and can use it against my next statement.
i found several quotes on behalf of the janjaweed who stated that up until the ICC made a move to indict Omar Al-Bashir they were loyal to the government. Assuming that these several quotes are not fabrications (and i'll post them here) that would mean that Omar controlled the Janjaweed.

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Another janjaweed commander, known as A Zakey, who is from the South Darfur area of Buram, also said he no longer supports the Sudan government.
"We were in harmony with the government until news about a possible indictment of al-Bashir broke," Zakey told IWPR.
One loyalist janjaweed commander, who wished to remain anonymous, but said he was a relative of janjaweed leader Musa Hilal, from the Saraf Omra area of northwest Darfur, said, "Of course, no one can deny or ignore the new reality created by this threat [of] the ICC. Yes, there is an impending danger, but we are determined to carry on fighting. We are going to stand firm with [al-Bashir] until the very end.

logically- if the janjaweed are loyal to Omar Al-Bashir as was stated above, and they are commiting henious rights violations, that makes Sudan's presidents the mastermind behind the suffering. That not only proves that the devil's on horseback are being supported by Al- Bashir, but that he can be directly accused for genocide.
The delegate of UK can post the link if you want.

To the delegate of Sudan: How does the delegate plan to repatriate the Sudanese refugees that are presently in Chad?

Delegate of Chad, we are not here to solve the issues between the country of Sudan and the country of Chad, but the judge the person of Omar Al-Bashir. The delegate of China can assure the delegate of Chad that the Sudanese government, though passing through hard times, are finding ways to stabilize this inconvenient situation between the two countries.

Anyways, The thing that most concern the People's Republic of China is that "The ICC's actions must be beneficial to the stability of the Darfur region and the appropriate settlement of the issue, not the contrary."(Chinese foreign minister) We are not judging a past president, or war general, but one that is still serving for its country. The delegate is afraid it will cause more instability in the region of Darfur and the entire Sudanese nation. And let's face it delegate, all Sudan needs now it to find balance and stabilize.

And delegate of the UK, the Sudanese is probably not defending its president because there is no concrete proof that Al-Bashir is guilty of the tensions in Darfur. Anyways, why is the UK taking the words of the Janjaweed? Aren't they the ones we, as a international community, are trying to fight against? So what now, the UK takes the word of armed gunmen instead of UN recognized officials? It's quite interesting that the only argument the Delegate of the UK has presented came from the mouth of bloody Janjaweeds. You see, China though that the UK didn't take the words of armed gunmen who are killing thousand of people, but I guess China was wrong about the UK's ethics! That was very, very, very unfortunate to hear, the delegate of China expected a lot more of a country from the UK.

Delegate of China,
Omar Al-Bashir´s good intentions are not as good as you believe. The fact that Omar Al-Bashir signed a peace treaty with Chad is because in Sudan at that moment:

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In Sudan, two important deadlines were approaching: April general elections and referendum on self-South in January 2011. Thefirst phase is designed to Khartoum as a chance for rehabilitation ofinternally President Bashir, pursued by the International CriminalCourt (ICC) for crimes in Darfur. Protected by the African Union and some of his peers, very opposed to the ICC, Omar al-Bashir must provide proof of good will. In this context, it became dangerous to continue to launch attacks into N'Djamena.

This is an article which I can give you the site if you wish.

Would Any of those "interviewed" citizens Provide us with solid evidence? Documents, Raw Data, a paper that Links the subject to the crime? Could the UK kindly give us more then then the words of people who are afraid to identify themselves? As to the unsigned statute let me quote it...

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Article 66

Presumption of innocence

1.Everyone shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty before the Court in accordance with the applicable law. 2.The onus is on the Prosecutor to prove the guilt of the accused. 3.In order to convict the accused, the Court must be convinced of the guilt of the accused beyond reasonable doubt.

There is no SOLID UNQUESTIONABLE EVIDENCE linking him to the crime other then circumstantial evidence that he was president? He did not supply the weapons, Last i checked the Janjaweed use primarily fire arms, which are not made by or imported by Sudan (that does not posses significant weapons factories) whom is under arms embargo. So is the delegate accusing the Chinese AND Russian government of violating an arms embargo to supply the government? Can you prove it? Delegate of Chad are you seeking to ruin the peace process between your government and Sudan? For if the intention of this trial is to blow upon the ashes of old conflicts, I shall take no part in it. You are you criticizing the peace process which required significant efforts and is still under way?

Yes delegate of Iraq, i am well aware that it falls upon me to prove his guilt, but the only defenses i'm hearing here is that my offense is not sound.
secondly, the janjaweed would be first degree witnesses, don't you agree? delegate if we were presidents supporting terrorists would we leave written evidence behind proving it?
thirdly, the delegate of UK finds ironic that China speaks of ethics at all, but then again, did not expect a lot more.
according to article 1 of the Rome Statute:

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It [The Internations Criminal Court] shall be a permanent institution and shall have the power to exercise its jurisdiction over persons for the most serious crimes of international concern, as referred to in this Statute, and shall be complementary to national criminal jurisdictions.

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the most serious crimes of concern to the international community as a whole must not go unpunished and that their effective prosecution must be ensured by taking measures at the national level and by enhancing international cooperation,

since the president is being tried by the ICC, i thought the above should be stated, HOWEVER the delegate of UK is aware that the sudanese government revoked it's signiture to the Rome Statute. i feel it's vital to consider why that must be...
tell me delegates, when has the sudanese government fought against the janjaweeds malicious actions?
here is a speach from the only a week ago where the foreign minister of UK spoke out towards Al-Bashir with only consideration for the well being of his country and it's inhabitants:

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"I urge [Sudanese president] President [Omar] Bashir to extend Sudan's relationship with the United Nations in a common purpose to bring lasting peace and genuine stability to the whole of Sudan. It is, above all, his responsibility," she said.
Mr Bashir has remained adamant here in New York that he will not accept a peacekeeping force under UN control.

what reason could mr. Al-Bashir have as to not want lasting peace in his own country? to the delegate of UK, his judgement and actions seem not only questionable, but irresponsible. As the president of Sudan, Mr. Al-Bashir has a responsibility to protect his country - which so far has been neglected - If Omar Al bashir has done nothing to protect the hundreds of thousands murdered, and the millions displaced, it is as much his responsibility as the janjaweed themselves.
cordially, the delegate of UK

Dear Mandi,
In the last year the death toll in Sudan fell drastically, the goverment is negotiating with the rebels in order to achieve a compromise and in the future peace and freedom in Darfur. In 2011 there will be a survey to decide if South Sudan will be independent. For the ICC to arrest Al Bashir in the current political scenario would be unwise. He has started peace talks with Chad, reduced violence in Darfur and will hold a referendum next year. He is the leader of the Armed forces that are loyal to him and maintain order in most of the country, if he was removed from power, different factions would fight for power and turn Sudan into a Somalia. This would also generate problems because it seems that WEST has constantly accused nations with petrol of all kinds of crimes to cause them to become unstable and allow a intervention wich in turn would bring petrol companies. The Crazy dictator of Iran was sponsored by the UK and USA giving the exclusive oil grants until the Ayatollah Khomeini led a revolution to remove the Shah from power, In Somalia the USA had oil industries there sponsoring the corrupt government until it decayed to its current state. Iraq does not even require a description It is absurd that the west hopes to impose its hypercritical values on us. The Janjawed are murderous yes, are they at war with African farmers, yes, did both sides commit horrible atrocities, yes, is Al Bashir Involved, NO. He is at war with both sides and attempting to negotiate a truce. the recent accusations have thown cold water in the peace talk. The delegate of Iraq would be happy if the Western Powers solved the messes they created before poking into other peoples business and creating trouble. If the West feel like acting in a humanitarian manner, they should rebuild South Lebanon and Iraq. If they feel like Holding someone for trial they should start with their own leaders. I wonder why is the Congolese Government being trialed the situation is much worse there with the Rwanda Guerrillas in the jungle, is it because they have no petrol? Why isn`t the UN intervening in Somalia? Why is it you trial Al Bashir without concrete evidence but the same countries refuse to charge Bush and Blair for similar and worse crimes when proper documentation is available? This Trial of Al Bashir is hippocritical and sponsored by the western powers and media who never lose a chance to accuse Arabs of all sorts of crimes but ignore much worse crimes south of the border (zeta cartel) or in Palestine. If the trials plan to be this hypercritical with the USA and UK looking for a way to destabilize another country, step in as paladins in front of the media and drain the country dry of resources like they are doing in Iraq then hang it to dry like they did with Africa. Perhaps they should resort to their old fashion methods of bribes and CIA sponsored coup, and spare us all the time to listen to this mockery of a trial as they don`t respect the UN anyway.

Delegate of Chad, we all know that the peace treaty was violated by Chad and Sudan. So let's put the past in the past.

Delegate of UK, what is your point? The delegate is favoring Janjaweed's word than the government of a respectful country! Now the delegate asking us to put their untrustworthy statement, or should I say lie, as valid information! Was is next for the UK? Negociation between Hamas? Al Queda? Seriously, China has never been so disapointed in history!

China ethics? Is the delegate sure it wants to talk about ethics!? China won't speak more for it's ethics, though noble, have nothing to do with Al Bahirs trial, however consider this a warning: don't talk about ethics, specially in history because the UK commander wars and imperialism over the globe! While innocent Asian, African and american countries even other Europeans suffered in the UK's hand! The only reason why UK's past is full of sparkles is because it covered other countrys history with blood! Buy anyways, let's focu in the case of the Sudanese president, even though it's hard because all he has done is good! And by the way China helps Sudan with pride, respect and morality!

dear delegate of China,
did you honestly not understand my point? the delegate of UK is baffled by your lack of understanding, and would insist that you respond to my most recent post, instead of restating your previous (and weak) defense, or will grow tired of repetition.
the "government of a respectful government" as you so aptly stated, is not respectable at all- it is being tried by the International criminal court.
to counter my most recent attack, you must find me actual, factual proof of the sudanese action against the janjaweed or any other attack will be considered inconsequential.
HOWEVER, considering the delegate of China is not even a delegate within the International Criminal Court- and therefore i would expect nothing more from her posts- i will move on to more pressing posts of higher importance.

Dear delegate of Iraq...

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He is at war with both sides and attempting to negotiate a truce. the recent accusations have thown cold water in the peace talk

please delegate, just give me the site for this, i would love to read it to strengthen my arguement, otherwise i will disregard it.
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If they feel like Holding someone for trial they should start with their own leaders

directed at the western powers... you do realize that Bush is being tried by our Model ICC .... as far as being a murderous master mind responsible for genocide- Bush is NOT. Bush did what he thought was best to protect the world and his own country and made questionable (according to the rest of the world) snap decisions. He might not have been the smartest of presidents, but he wasn't a murderer. At any rate, that is not the topic of this debate- any contradictions to my previous statement i will disregard and leave it to the defender of Bush in the other case topic.
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Why is it you trial Al Bashir without concrete evidence but the same countries refuse to charge Bush and Blair for similar and worse crimes when proper documentation is available

and i'm sure it is- if you would please just give us the site or better yet the documentation....
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This Trial of Al Bashir is hippocritical and sponsored by the western powers and media who never lose a chance to accuse Arabs of all sorts of crimes

Delegate of Iraq, could you refrain from using stereotypes as your defense? this trial has nothing to do with religion, but GENOCIDE. there is no proof supporting that statement.
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If the trials plan to be this hypercritical with the USA and UK looking for a way to destabilize another country

DELEGATE, please! this trial is searching for JUSTICE, for the sudanese. how could the delegate honestly state that Sudan was stable right now? this trial- WHICH BY THE WAY.... is NOT being held BY USA OR UK but the ENTIRE ICC AS A WHOLE- would help in ensuring lasting peace for Sudan. finally, the delegate of UK would like to state that UK or US's offenses against the world would be irrelevant to Omar Al-Bashir's trial if the delegate of Iraq only wishes to state opinions/stereotypes.
stick to facts delegate.
defendant of Omar Al-Bashir... you're awfully quiet... considering it is YOUR job to defend Mr. Al-Bashir, maybe you should join the fun and practice your defense here...

Delegate, the delegate of China is expressing China despite the caucus.

Anyways, since the delegate claims China misinterpreted the UK's post, could you please post any true and valid arguments that could possibly incriminate Al-Bashir of any crime? Because looking at this forum, all the delegate sees is the UK using, as an argument, the words Janjaweeds. And taking the type of country the UK is, China is sure its beliefs are full of logic, so the delegate will be waiting to hear what VALID information the UK will present.

Since there are no valid arguments against of Al-Bashir, China would like to put VALID ones in favor of this wonderful president, who is passing through tough situation.

As in the beginning to this year, Omar Al-Bashir signed a peace treaty with a rebel group in Western Darfur to ensure the safety and help stabilize the situation in Darfur. Also nothing, that this rebel group is the most powerful one in the region of Darfur. Sudan announced that 57 prisoners linked to a Darfur rebel attack on the Sudanese capital, Khartoum, in 2008 would be released, and more than 100 other prisoners could go free as peace discussions progressed.

Delegate of the UK, the Darfur issue is very serious; it became international because of the deepness of the situation. So instead of accusing the government and the president, the UK might want to help solve the problem, like China and Qatar! The ones who are killing are the Janjaweeed, so lets work together to stop them, not help them by causing political instability!

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-06-30/world/darfur.qanda_1_darfur-rebels-janjaweed-equality-movement?_s=PM:WORLD

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Who is involved?

Two rebels groups -- the Sudan Liberation Army and the Justice and Equality Movement -- were initially involved in the attacks, but these splintered along ethnic lines, reportedly funded by cash peace incentives from the international community. The government meanwhile mobilized what it calls "self-defense militias." It has denied links to the Janjaweed -- fighters from Arab-speaking African tribes blamed for the worst atrocities in Darfur.

This should answer the first questions
The second quote it should be added that after failure to show up evidence of WMDS. Tony Blair was no longer prime minister
the documentations for the Coalition war crimes is availble anywhere or in the other forum feel free to read them.
Fact the crime is pictured by the media as arab militias, sponsored by the goverment killing black Christian farmers, should prove the media biast. The amount of resources availble in darfut resources is being reduced by Global warming, desertication and people are fighting for wathever is left.
Why is it only West Europe the Americas and Japan defend such accusations? Should we not listen to the people close to the problem like the Arab League, AU, and the goverment.
the delegate would like to remind the UK that your empire collapsed a long time ago and that they should respect naational soverenty.

Yes, why is the UK and the USA causing more instability in country which ,the USA and UK, themselves, conseidered to have genocide?! What is the point of more instability? Seriously, China seconds Iraq's point:

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the delegate would like to remind the UK that your empire collapsed a long time ago and that they should respect naational soverenty.

Face it UK, Omar Al-Bashir is innocent and European imperialism is over, and China can give its word that it will secure all nation's sovereignty from any attempt of imperialism. The whole point of the trial is irrelevant, all it is generating is political instability and all of this because of false accusations.

The delegate of UK believes some of the delegates here are confused. especially about the topic and their posts relevancy to it. secondly, the delegate insists her whole posts to be read, especially by the delegate of China, considering China's biased and awkward position as the exporter of weapons to darfur. Of course China, the delegate of UK would also be ashamed if they were responsible in part of genocide.
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the delegate would like to remind the UK that your empire collapsed a long time ago and that they should respect naational soverenty.

Face it UK, Omar Al-Bashir is innocent and European imperialism is over, and China can give its word that it will secure all nation's sovereignty from any attempt of imperialism.

is simply ludicrous. This delegation is doing nothing to infringe on sovereignty, and its LUDICROUS for any of the honorable (of course, i'll exclude China and Sudan from this) delegations to legitamately believe that introducing peacekeepers in Darfur would result with anything besides peace. The only thing the peacekeepers will do there is maintain peace. they would not oust Mr. Al Bashir from office or enforce any laws.
european imperialism has nothing whatsoever to do with the accusations being held against Omar Al0-Bashir, especially if one would take notice that the (and i'll repeat this once again) icc as a whole is trying omar al bashir, not only the United States and UK, as ,as many delegations here would like to conviniently ignore.
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So instead of accusing the government and the president, the UK might want to help solve the problem, like China and Qatar! The ones who are killing are the Janjaweeed, so lets work together to stop them, not help them by causing political instability!

dear, dear delegation of China, this is not a resolution, we are not in a caucus, this is a courtroom. and we are simply trying an corrupt government. JUSTICE is what we hope to ensure, justice that will surely provide stability under a more reliable government.
i understand that none of you honest people would take the word of the "bloody janjaweed", but do keep in mind, dear delegations, this: of course, the janjaweed claims that the government provides their weaponery (which is of course nonsensical becuase a disorganized group of manipulated sheep would obviously be able to obtain the large sum of money to procure the weapons themselves) and i came across something interesting. of course, i realize that none you delegations here would accept this piece of information as valid evidence (and i entiredly expect the delegation of China to REstate that in her own words AGAIN as she has so far in this debate) but i thought i would put it here any way. more than one retired or escaped janjaweed participant stated blatantly that the weapons came from the governments and the orders again came directly from the government. Of course, who would willingly believe these words, but i thought it interesting that if they were sent back to the middle east (they had immigrated to the States) they would certainly be killed. why would any individual put their lives at risk to make up a silly lie?
and then i found this:

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The Sudanese air-cargo firm was "sanctioned under Executive Order 13400 for transferring small arms, ammunition and artillery to Sudanese government forces and Janjaweed militia in Darfur."
The Government of the Sudan continues to ship both small arms and heavy weapons, ammunition and other military equipment into the Darfur states by air,
In addition to the passengers there were two D-22 type 122-mm artillery howitzers and 40 to 50 wooden boxes painted olive drab, suspected to contain arms and ammunition."

it is comforting to know that the government is so obviously shipping weapons into darfur, is it not?